. >> michael turo. alright, al winera. okay. jim lazarus, san francisco khaim be, i thought i saw him in the back, there he is. >> cameron bingley, and david zedcar. >> jim lazarus, san francisco xhaim ber of commerce, the chamber has consistently said to this commission, the board of supervisors, the rate fairness board that beear using a flawed system to develop a come petite plan that will cost san franciscans more taking those dollars out of the local economy. while cleanpowersf does not meet the state's community choice aggregation goal, you have to remember that out of -- as i'm sure former senator torres does, out of the crisis from 13 years ago, the state passed laws which it was the intention we bring competition to stabilize what available resources lower cost to consumers. this doesn't do that. every dollar that a consumer spends which will go out of san francisco by in large in this program is a dollar not spent in san francisco. that's why we cannot support an opt-out program. if we want to get into the energy busin