tuthill. when the two of them spoke, what was so interesting to me was lawrence wanted to make her feel better. >> you know, you said you couldn't protect her. i don't believe that. i believe you protected her and it was just someone else's violence that caused what caused -- what happened. you protected her more than you knew. and you're still protecting her today, by doing this. giving of yourself to people that don't deserve it. >> she took comfort in what lawrence was saying. and i think it made him feel somewhat better to be able to give her some type of comfort. >> thank you. thank you. >> thank you. >> but i also think her sharing of that story helped lawrence get in touch with the people he had victimized. >> lawrence, how were you changed by mrs. tuthill's talk? >> i don't -- i just -- i don't know how -- i don't know how to explain it. i really don't. it's deeper than words can ever be said. i don't know if i'll ever -- if i'll ever have that kind of opportunity. and just to be hones