and just like mary, bessie played at the tva weekly poker games. she was, certainly, no -- she was well acquainted with a cocktail. and those were important ways to make sure that she was where conversations were being had, that she could be at the table and be given the assignment and the trust of people she needed to champion her to get assignments for the supreme court and to be in the places she was. >> so both mary mcgrory and bessie margolin were at the cutting edge. quick research, i found rather than just one in even newsroom, 37% of journalists are women, and 34%, according to the bar association just a couple years ago, 34% of lawyers are women. so so we're making progress, and it's in large part in thanks to women like this who helped lead the way. i wonder if each of you could tell us about the choices each of them had to make, and each of you referenced it a little, between their personal lives and their professional lives, the sexism they encountered and the choices they had to make in their personal life and their career. and they de