the twan na brawley was one of the worst, most despicable acts this guy perpetrated. he almost ruined the reputation because he as lying and she was lying. let me ask you a question. if you become a paid informant, if you're made an informant because they catch you in an illegal activity and say, okay, we're not going to prosecute you but you have to inform. >> but he also pay -- >> do they usually pay people they bust like that as well? >> yeah, there's two. you can be a paid informant or be someone engaging in nefarious illicit activity and you get a pass on the crime they caught you with. >> he's both. >> i don't know, so he's a paid informant? at least he's making money. that's ridiculous. >> reverend al has a tendency to turn these things into race. race or not, he'll make this about race. i predict that he's going to eventually say he's being villainized because of his color. reverend al has nothing to do with your color, has everything to do with your character. anyone think he'll make this leap? >> of course. that's what he does. >> of course. hasn't he alread