and john dowd felt he was undermined by ty cobb when he discovered ty cobb was disagreeing to his adviceesident. he tells the president i regret the day i ever recommended ty cobb and i can't believe he undermined me. well, trump said, i asked him to speak out and show the president was not afraid to testify. he should have declined, he's a government employee, and by the way they can call him as a witness. he has no privilege with you. jesus, trump said, sounding worried, i've talked a lot with him. joining the discussion now mia wily, also an msnbc legal analyst and jennifer ruben is back with us. and am ia, there is that moment which makes perfect sense because a lot of people are confused of white house counsel and attorney privilege with the president. but the president is not supposed to be confused about that. that's something he should know about on day one. >> the president isn't supposed to be confused about it but certainly his lawyer isn't supposed to be confused about it either. certainly they might be able to exert executive privilege, but that's a much weaker privilege obv

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john dowd is gone, there is no interview, so why would ty cobb talk to you? major garrett: interesting question. [chuckles] i didn't know the answer at the time. i took what is sometimes described in our industry as a flier. hey, ty, would you ever consider doing my show? yeah, when do you want to do it? what? yeah, when do you want to do it? are you serious? sure. i will do it. what i didn't know was -- i learned later, and i talk about in the book, ty was trying to move the president toward an interview with mueller in late january. they had a date selected, 27. -- january 27. and the point of him appearing on my show, not a sit down interview, or a network thing, kind of interesting, kind of out part of the network sphere but not exactly, kind of an oddball place, was to lay the predicate for the president, you can do this. we can work it out. let's do it sooner rather than later. also a signal to robert mueller, because in that interview, ty cobb says, i have respect for robert mueller, i think he is a formidable but fair prosecutor. the president shouldn'

because john dowd as related to ty cobbs in the book reacted to thatgatively appearance.e was becoming more fearful about the president sitting down with mueller. the book, out in about where this story would be now if, in fact, the president had an interview with mueller in late january before so many other revelations and had come to pass. universitye you go, of missouri journalism? sir.: yes, and police science. it was an active time. your where did you meet wife? major: well, that's a two-part question. my first wife in las vegas , nevada. kles, theeporter at cbs affiliate. i was a reporter at a las vegas review journal. i met my current wife here in washington. she was the professor of at villanova.nce she's now the director of management in george washington. year did you marry her? major: 2016. ended.fter the primaries not a good idea. we struck while we could. three kids?ve major: yes. 18.23, and been whiteuest has house correspondent for cbs news , major garrett. thank you. major: thank you. >> visit us at q and a.org. they are also available as podcasts. jeffrey

and ty cobb went on mied y ed p the week before and the white house got nervous.imagine this, if that interviewed that been con on duon -- conducted on january 27 and that closed the mueller/trump loop, what position would the president be in now, where would the investigation be now. we'll never know. but a bit of news right in the middle of the book. >> suabsolute. maj ly. major, congratulationcongratula. you're a great writer. good to see you. >>> and that will wrap it up for me. steve cokornacki picks it up. >> and good afternoon, i'm in for ali velshi. and this hour, breaking news to tell you about. "new york times" reporting that the deputy attorney general rod rosenstein suggested last year secretly recording president inside the white house to expose chaos within the administration. "times" also writes that rosenstein discussed, quote, recruiting cabinet members to invoke the 25th amendment to remove mr. trump from office for being unfit. nbc news has not confirmed this report in the "times" article, they point out that these were suggestions he allegedly

initially former trump attorneys ty cobb and john dowd had full and open cooperation with mueller's teamre's ty cobb talking about it in january. >> bob and i worked together briefly in the '80s as prosecutors, but he's somebody that i know from, you know, personal experience and also from his background as somebody who is a true patriot, a real no nonsense guy. and somebody who believes in the rule of law. >> at the end of the day, everybody is going to have some tough decisions to make, but all the discussions leading up to that are quite civil and quite professional and i've got nothing bad to say in terms of the way that we've been treated by the special counsel. >> contrast that with what we heard from john dowd this week. >> well, what's taking so long? >> pardon? >> what's taking so long, then? >> i don't know. i think -- i'm afraid -- i've just lost all respect for bob because he didn't keep his word. he said he was going to get it done. look, he's the one that asked for the witnesses. he's the one that asked for the documents. he told us that everybody told the truth. he told us

and his former lawyer ty cobb retired to spend more time with his enchanted teddy bears. ( laughter )donald trump keeps having to hire replacements. in fact, nearly a dozen lawyers are currently helping the president, while one is definitely hurting the president. ( laughter ) and these new attorneys face a huge and unusual challenge. they have no idea what's going on, because it's not clear if trump has given them a full account of key events he's been involved in. and former lawyer mr. dowd left them few notes or files about the case. although he did leave this welcome message on the wall. very nice of him. lovely handwriting. >> jon: oh, man. >> stephen: lovely handwriting. so, apparently, to work on trump's legal team, you have to be willing to take on a case you don't understand for a client who won't tell you what he did and who might fire you at any moment. what kind of lawyer would be willing to do that? to find out, we have an exclusive interview with the newest member of donald trump's defense team. please welcome attorney ted morgan. there morgan, thank you so much. ( cheer

and ty cobb and jay and i provided them. and he said he wouldn't let any grass grow.ommunication we had come up we stressed how important it was and how his inquiry was a great burden on the president, that interfered with the president's ability to lead this country, particularly in foreign affairs. he said he took that very seriously. on and on, he gave me his word. that he would do it. we got to late last year and he had completed the 37 witnesses. i asked him, did you have any problem with those witnesses? they were all well represented and well prepared and he said, no. did anyone lie to you? no. documents. we gave you 1.4 million but more importantly we gave you the most intimate notes of the communications and deliberations by the president. no president in history has done done anything like that. are we missing anything, are there any missing documents? no. are you satisfied with everything you've got? yes. well what's the president's exposure? >> the president's exposure, he's a witness/subject. so he's not a target, correct? that means he had no exposure. a

trump's roster of attorneys has been influx, notably with the departures of john dowd and ty cobb earlierhis year, and the impending departure of white house counsel don mcgahn this fall. trump now has lawyers based mostly in washington and new york, and according to that "times" report by our friends, haberman and schmidt, "the expanding legal team is struggling to understand where the investigations could be headed and the extent of mr. trump's legal exposure." the report cites a dozen people close to the president who add these details. "the lawyers have only a limited sense of what many witnesses including senior administration officials and the president's business associates have told investigators and what the justice department plans to do with any incriminating information it has about mr. trump." it goes on to say, "it is not clear if mr. trump has given his lawyers a full account of some key events in which he has been involved as president or during his decades running the trump organization." we thought we would talk about this tonight with richard painter, a veteran attorney

but it seems to me john dowd and ty cobb confirmed to robert mueller that he obstructed justice. i am trying to figure it out, steve kornacki. they would be willing to go to mueller and say he is going to perjure himself, everything he is going to tell you is a lie, that means every other witness is more credible than him, which means -- i mean -- >> what was interesting there was supposedly the response that came back from mueller to that, which was according to reporting from folks that read the book which was not to fight it or contest it, not to say please reconsider or here's why you should do it, let me make my case from this standpoint. it was to say okay, i understand. and sounded like it was left at that. i guess the most generous, and i'm even less of a lawyer than you, most generous charitable interpretation would be what, the lawyer is saying i don't trust that he is not going to fall for one of your perjury traps? >> that's a generous interpretation. >> i'm sorry, if i'm the president, forget, are you being well represented? is he representing you, your interests? >>