ty cobb is back with us and why he thinks a trump indictment is coming. >> and civil war, assassinations, and a reprise of january 6th. officials tonight tracking a surge in disturbing and violent rhetoric since news of the fbi

ty cobb is trump's former defense attorney.h this reporting. bonnie willis, the d.a. has been very aggressive. when it comes to the pace, it has moved rapidly. you've got a grand jury. says she's looking to wrap up by next month. that puts a ticking time clock on what team trump is trying to do. what are they exactly trying to do? >> well, what they're trying to do is muddy the water. and, you know, the argument is bonnie willis is democratic district attorney. she has targeted donald trump. this is political. that's the argument from trump allies and so game on, we're going to politicize this. we're going to make this a political issue, we're going to make the argument that bonnie willis is ignoring crime in atlanta, escalating murder rates, violence on the rise and instead focusing on donald trump so they're going to argue that this is a -- that this is disqualifying on its face and bonnie willis should be replaced. georgia recall law is exceedingly stringent and you need 30% of all the registered voters in the relevant juris

i want to go to the former trump white house attorney ty cobb.o much going on right now as we speak related to multiple cases that appear to at this point target the former president. a lot of trump supporters are questioning whether the major step by the fbi to search mar-a-lago, the home of a former president, an unprecedented move, fits the crime. the potential crime, that is put out there of mishandling classified documents. now, you think there is more here. what do you think this is about, ty? >> well, i think it's about the underlying big lie and the january 6th. i don't believe -- i'm highly confident that it's not about the public records act. but it could easily be about the classified documents, quite likely classified documents that are of great interest to the bureau and the justice department, which they have apparently pressed for, and it also appears there's a bit of a communication breakdown between trump's attorneys and the justice department. i think, you know, as i understand the process, there have been repetitive productions

>> before i guess whether he will do it, it's very notable ty cobb and i agree on so much.fense lawyer. it's also notable there are serious crimes even without the fact that donald trump sat there while the mob that he knew to be armed was aimed at the capitol and called his vice president a coward. as to what merrick garland will do, i've known him for 50 years. i know he's a serious, thoughtful person. i don't pretend to read his mind. i would be amazed if he was deliberately misleading the evidence and saying he would follow the evidence where it led. he would not allow politics to make a difference. he would not allow the fact that we're in a political season to make a difference. all of that he's basically telling the american people that if the evidence shows that trump is almost certainly guilty, he will go after him. that is what the evidence shows. i don't think he was being cute. i don't think he was winking and nodding the way donald trump might have been doing when he got them to do his bidding. >> yet, ty, the stakes are so incredibly high. if he goes ahead wit

last night, i spoke to ty cobb, the former white house lawyer. he told me very clearly that he does not think that the mar-a- lago is ultimately about classified documents. here is why. >> i think it is about the underlying big lie and january 6th. that is the big enchilada. i think it would be truly bizarre to bring a public records act charge against a former president as the first time in history of indicting a former president. >> do you think he is right? this is about the big enchilada? >> i have no idea but i think that the two investigations could potentially overlap depending on what these documents are. we remember from watergate that it is the cover-up that gets you, not just the misconduct. the committee is very concerned about some of the disappearing texts in the defense department , the disappearing texts in the secret service, a lack of being forthcoming with information until we issued a subpoena to the secret service and the unwillingness of a variety people to come in and tell the committee the truth, the cover- up. if this was

ty cobb, a former lawyer for the president, now tweets about how much he hates donald trump. don mcgahn, was a star witness for the mueller investigation, pat cipollone and pat philbin, they are cooperating with the doj's investigation. these are not people who are pledging fealty to donald trump, and probably for good reason. i'm sure all of those are data points that act as deterrence four other lawyers who are considering representing the former president. >> well absolutely, well summed. don mcgahn ultimately became a witness with her for overwhelming instances of obstruction, criminal obstruction by the sitting president of the united states. if you had not been a sitting president, the department justice would've normally indicted a person with a level of evidence that don mcgahn provided, about how donald trump tried to derail her criminal investigation, and avoid embarrassing information coming out about him. in the case of pets have flown -y, there's really not a lawyer who wasn't a bigger fan of donald trump's, and wanted to help him achieve his agenda, he was proud

ty cobb is back with us and why he thinks a trump indictment is coming. >> and civil war, assassinationsy 6th. officials tonight tracking a surge in disturbing and violent rhetoric since new

. >> here is what his former attorney ty cobb said to cnn today.uote, he doesn't have the lawyers to sort through these things strategically and is thinking through them on his own. >> i think they think of things sometimes in terms of are we on offense or defense. to get your house raided may make you seem like you're on defense, but in the days since, they're on offense at least as it relates to the pr of being inside the republican party. if they thought this video, even if it was just clips, would keep them on offense, would keep their people fired up, oh, i have no doubt they wouldn't hesitate to do that and i'm sure they're getting a lot of advice to do it. >> it's kind of hazardous to be donald trump's lawyer. i mean -- >> just ask rudy. >> that's just one example. what rudy had to do today was one example. it hasn't gone well for a lot of people. so rudy had his law license suspended. john eastman has been ordered to testify. jenna imellis has been ordered testify. pat cipollone testified before the committee. michael cohen went to prison.

you might remember ty cobb.rom 2017 to 2018 in the trump white house where he led the internal response to the mueller investigation, defending the president. when asked by nbc in july about the impact and early announcement of a presidential run could have on the republican party, cobb responded are a statement that reads in part, trump is a disaster for the republican party for which he prevented a senate majority in 2020, and as time will demonstrate has already done the same for 2022 with his endorsements of unelectable candidates all based on their loyalty or his own driving desire for revenge. the big lie has been good ome for trump and brought him millions in donations which some evidence suggs may have been mishandled. the big lie and election interference and perceived misconduct was and is an affront to this nation and the principles. it is permanently soiled the abyss that divides our country and continues to expand due to the delusions and lack of accountability of politicians in both parties. it sho