our european partners, right now there are europeans in china training to become tyco nauts for the upcoming chinese space station. china is moving rapidly to entice the world to join them in their efforts in lower earth orbit. >> i would to thank senator cruz. >> i want to thank senator cruz as well. i'm working with senator cornyn, it's critical to maintain our partnership and all the things we've heard. what i hear from you, administrator, is you have set a goal and believe that it's possible that commercial activities will be able to pick up that cost by 2025, which certainly seems very ambitious. my question is for mr. o'connell, do you believe the commercial space industry would start picking that all up in 2025? is that realistic? or should we be thinking about something else? >> senator, thank you. we are seeing a number of industry partners come forward, partly to understand the roles that they can play on the space station, the extent to which they can access it. so far we're seeing relatively small applications for the space station. but we're hoping to encourage others for larger