and seated next to her is tyler mcbrien the managing editor at l'affaire in one of the coast of the escalationpodcast but seated next too him is the other cohost of the escalation podcast is joining us. and, to my left is the great fionaa hill was a senior fellow here and among other things including the first one and we are going to talk about that momentarily. before we do however, we arrange this event when there was one major government change that was affecting western policy toward ukraine. that was a transition from them by administration to the trump administration and the shock therapy that is applying to the situation. there is now a second one which is we did have elections in germanye yesterday. they produce something of a mixed message with respect to the ukraine policy. and so i wanted to ask you to get us started. and give us a sense what happened in germany yesterday? how we should understand it? vis-À-vis ukraine and how we should understand it the american shift in policy with respect to ukraine. >> thank you very much. and it is a distinct pleasure to cohost this with you. b

i spoke to tyler mcbrien, the managing editor who said that state capture practically works like this>> it's rewriting the rules of the game, in terms of law and policy. it is capturing administrative decisions through appointments, budgeting, things like that. and then it is attacking these accountability structures. so, the inspectors general, any sort of congressional oversight that should happen, the media as well. you see this now with certain government agencies, only reporting things on x and no lon ger issuing press releases. >> a lot of inspectors general are gone because the administrator and put them on lee. one of the only ways he said to stop state capture is public awareness and we saw today that there were a lot of protests in backlash. across d.c., outside of the capital, hundreds protested the dismantling of usaid. you hear them talking about chanting against elon musk there. so, that is potentially one of the only ways that state capture can be stopped. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> we start the days of their headlines with a busy day at the white house. that includ

joining our coverage, managing editor of lawfare, tyler mcbrien is here. my friend and colleague, msnbc anchor alex wagner, host of the new podcast trumpland. she's been reporting from washington this week and talking to federal workers targeted by musk and his aides. what did you learn? >> first of all, i think the vengeance with which this is being taken out should not be understated. >> i was. >> talking. >> to some. >> of the folks who worked at usaid, in particular a woman named christina drye, who is the now one of the now former spokespeople there, and the absolute disregard for not just the people who work in the federal government, but the people they then serve the american public, but also the global community. we have national security interests in doing this work. let's just put that out there. in addition to the humanitarian aid, there are scores thousands, hundreds of thousands of people who are in real need who have no idea what america is doing. i want to play you a little bit of my interview with her, where she gives us kind of a sense of

first of all, let me just go from left to right, constanta is seated next to her is tyler mcbrien themanaging editor of law fair and one of the cohost of the escalation podcast. seated next to him is anastasia another cohost of the escalation podcast joining us from pf. to my left is the great fiona hill, senior fellow here and among other things plays a starring role in a number of the episodes of the podcast the first one and we are going to talk about that momentarily, before we do, however, we arranged this event when there was one major government r chan that was affecting western policy toward ukraine, that was the transition from the biden administration to the trump administration and the shock therapy that's applying to the situation there is no second one which is that we did have elections in germany yesterday and these produced something of a mixed message with respect to ukraine policy so i want to ask constanta to get us started and give us a sense of what happened in germany yesterday, how we should understand this vis-c-vis ukraine and how we should understand vis-c-vi

seated next to her is tyler mcbrien, who is the managing editor of law fair and one of the cohosts of the escalation podcast. seated next to him is the other cohost of the escalation podcast who is joining us, and to my left is the great fiona hill, senior fellow here, and among other things plays a sort of starring role in a number of the episodes of the podcast, including the first one, and we are going to talk about that momentarily. before we do, however, we arranged this event when there was one major government change that was affecting western policy toward ukraine and that was the transition from the biden administration to the trump administration. and the shock therapy, maybe, that is applying to the situation. there is now a second one which is that we did have elections in germany yesterday and these produced something of a mixed message with respect to ukraine policy. so i wanted to ask can stanza to get us started and give us a sense of what happened in germany yesterday, how we should understand it vis-a-vis ukraine and how we should understand it vis-a-vis the american

managing editor of lawfare, tyler mcbrien is here.porting from washington this week and talking to federal workers targeted by musk and his aides. what did you learn? >> first of all, i think the vengeance with which this is being taken out should not be understated. i was talking to some of the folks who worked at usaid, in particular a woman named christina drye, who is the now one of the now former spokespeople there, and the absolute disregard for not just the people who work in the federal government, but the people they then serve the american public, but also the global community. we have national security interests in doing this work. let's just put that out there. in addition to the humanitarian aid, there are scores thousands, hundreds of thousands of people who are in real need who have no idea what america is doing. i want to play you a little bit of my interview with her, where she gives us kind of a sense of the chaos that's unfolding behind these walls. >> in addition to the us aid folks that are losing their jobs witho