, which was that when she was a teenager, she found a tremendous amount of glamour in "the mary tyler mooreand it was about embarrassing situations. mary richards had the worst parties. they were sort of figures of fun, but yet, to a teenager living in difficult circumstances, somebody who is obviously very smart, seeing that world, that world of that camaraderie, interesting work, security, stylishness, the idea of tv news, that was very glamorous to her, and she directed her life, and she said, i wanted to be like mary. i want to have lou grant as my boss. and there is a wonderful video that you can see on youtube, where she re-created the opening sequence of "the mary tyler moore show," and she had injected herself into it and made it come true, so that was an interesting example of something that is not intentionally glamorous, but the glamour is in the eye of the audience that changed somebody's life. >> greenville, south carolina, home town? >> yes. >> graduated from princeton. >> yes. >> work for the wall street journal for two years. >> yes, i did. >> and how many years as editor at