she was a carrier of the disease typhoid and that means she wasn't sick herself but she could give it to others and unfortunately she was a cook and she made a lot of people sick. the city locked her up. how long was she locked up? >> she was locked up twice, once they let her out about four or five years and she went back to cooking. and the carriers of typhoid carry it in their gallbladder and it does shed on their hands when they cook and she got other people sick and she spent a decade or so on north brother island which is on the east river in new york city. i've been there, even though you are right near a city it's about as desolate and loanly a place as you can imagine. >> it's always good to see you. i see ann arbor, michigan, behind you according to "forbes" magazine, the most educated city in america. i love that we have that in common. >> good to be here, sanjay. >>> coming up, you've got questions about ebola. i put together some answers. stay with us. what does an apron have to do with car insurance? every time you tie on an apron, you make progress. and we like that. be

typhoid was something like that and that's where the typhoid mary story came from. she was a cook. she was never sick. she was a carrier of typhoid but she infected a lot of people and she ended up getting quarantined for a very long time as a result of that. but that's not what ebola is. also, brian, we may have a pandemic some day. that's happened before in the history of our world. it could happen again. but that pandemic is not ebola, and i think that should be a little bit comforting to people, you know, as we think about this going forward. >> sanjay, thank you for being here. >> you got it, brian. anytime. thank you. >> let me play one more clip before i go. it's of shep smith on fox news. i was very struck by this on wednesday. he delivered a three-minute rejoinder to all the overheated coverage. i uploaded it to youtube to share with people and it got more than a million views. here is a clip from it. >> do not listen to the hysterical voices on the radio and television or read the fear provoking words on line. the people who write the hysterical things are being irrespons

we got to face life in these shacks and alleys and let our children take their chances here with typhoidaw a blank, the kids. they have no business here, this no man's land. poison in the air we breathe. poison in the river. the fog and smoke chokes us. don't tell us this is the best you can do in building cities. who built this place? what put it here? how do we get it out again? we are asking, just asking. might as well stay in the mills and call that home. we lock the bolt on the assembly line. lucky if we have a chance to keep a job from day to day, month to month. ♪ the dirty work alone don't get us down. we're not ashamed to handle coal and iron all the way from mine shafts to skyscrapers. how does that make sense? we never get the gritty feel out of our nose, her eyes, our lungs. we never get a chance to see how blue the sky can be unless the mills are all shut down. smoke makes prosperity, they say. this mean there is no way out for us? there must be something better. why can't we have it? a decent home? ♪ follow the crowd, it get the big money. make a pile, raise a pile, it make

we've got to face life in these alleys.and we've got to let our children take their chances here with typhoid, t.b., or worse. draw a blank for kids, they have no business here, this slag heap wasn't meant for them. poison in the air we breathe, river.in the the smoke rises right up to choke us. don't tell thaws this is the in building do cities. place here?is and how do we get out again? we're asking, just asking. we might as well stay in the mills and call that home. they're just as fit to live in. we mine the coal, load the furnace, roll the steel, drive the rivets. we lock the bolt on the assembly lucky if we have the chance to get the job from day-to-day, from month-to-month. >> the work alone don't get us down. to handle coaled and iron, all the way from mine we drive skyscrapers, our tractors and cars mighty proud of, the same as you. but how does that make sense with this? we never get the gritty feel out nose, eyes, lung, guts. we never get to see how blue the unless the mills are all shut down. smoke makes prosperity, they say? oes this mean there's no way out for us? there must be

the patient reported having been diagnosed with typhoid fever and august. if that a normal temperature. it's a child arrived yesterday and our hair from my area but, at once during the flight. federal authorities screened a passenger who had no other sentence and was taken to university of chicago hospital for isolation. if protocol requires the the family be under quarantine until evaluation is completed. these hospitals have agreed to take the bullet patients from other hospitals should cases appear in chicago. then the for disease control and prevention issued guidelines advising health workers have no expos' tim shakira for patients. the national nurses denied calling for government to require hospitals to provide one beast had met suits with air purifying respirator for all health workers involved in care and to cut off federal funding for hospitals that do not comply. cdc recommends a fluid resistant down or coverall with double gloves folk face shield as a record. nurses and chicago were asking for hospitals to implement tighter standards. >> unfortu

they're not treated at typhoid marys. whereas the other side treats them as scare crows, oh, my god. whereas the democrats look at them as people, good public servants. people love nurses. there's a poll taken after 9/11, all the young guys wanted to be firefighters. all the young ladies wanted to be nurses. >> first of all, you have to remember too, the obama administration has an overarching interest in getting people to go into west africa to help. so they want to do anything to encourage it, obviously. and i think it is looked at as a public service that these doctors, and even doctors who say they prefer the option of a 21-day quarantine for those coming back, believe it should be done in the most humane way possible. people shouldn't be forced into a tent. there should be compassion and reverence. whereas on the other side, there's an accusatory tone against the people who have acquired the virus. and remember, there's a large percentage of those who are getting infected with ebola are health care providers, people

this isn't like she's out there like typhoid mary spreading the disease. as soon as she became systematic, appropriate action will be taken. this is unwarranted and not supported by if t science. >> doctor what if she took the test and exhibited symptoms after she came back from having exposure to the general public? is she going to be tested and monitored hourly? is she going to be tested by the minute? what if she doesn't exhibit any symptoms, she goes out and intermingles with the public, doctor, comes back and tests positive. what do we do that she's exposed herself to everyone and then there's a massive public health emergency. you can blame it on politics, you can blame it on overreaction but the issue is people need to be protected and to feel safe and if they don't it's an issue. >> mr. hiyman, go ahead. >> your statement is hysteria. it has no basis in fact. in fact, if you read the materials on this, you are -- the issue of contagion -- and i believe the doctor will be able to speak to this better than i can -- is that the minute you develop a fe

it's not a situation like you remember the case of typhoid mary, this is someone who carried the typhoide was never sick but able to transmit the virus. that's not the case with ebola. you are sick before you transmit. so anybody who's sick could potentially be somebody who could spread it. >> i like this question from this viewer "if ebola is not spread through the air, then why are doctors dressed like astronauts when they encounter patients?" thank you for this question, john. >> they don't need to be. it's -- there's a standard hazmat gear which is put on. a lot of times when they're asked about when they encounter patients they don't know what the patient has initially, sometimes they'll just dress protective everything. we don't know what the infectious disease is so they protect themselves as much as they can. now the person's point where ebola, really what you need to make sure is that all of your skin is covered because you don't want to get any bodily fluids on any place in your skin. even a cut on your face or cuts on your hands could potentially be sources of transmission. bu

silverman was tested for malaria, typhoid, salmonella, even tick-borne diseases. on day three, cdc tests for ebola was also negative. eric was released. whatever he had, it was not ebola. >> that's how the world works today. people can be in one place one day and 12 hours later the other side of the world. that just shows that we're all interconnected and what happens over here is going to affect over here as well. >> reporter: debra feyerick, cnn, new york. >>> wow, i want to bring back dr. sanjay gupta who joins me now to answer some of your questions about ebola. sanjay, officials in texas say they're looking at possibly 100 contacts. they say they're starting with a very wide net, but plan to reduce that number. that news comes with the growing fears about the risk in the united states and whether eric duncan could have spread ebola to his fellow passenger during his flight. what's the possibility of that? >> reporter: well, with regard to the flight, the folks here at cdc and frankly most people have been very, very optimistic about this, saying there's reall

fever, weakness, muscle pain, headache and soar throughout are mistaken from the flu, malaria or typhoidt then there is vomited, bloody diarrhea, skin rashes and purple spots on the skin. once the symptoms set in, the person can contagious and has six to 16 days to either beat the virus or die. the death rate is high, 50% to 90% chance of death depending on the strain and access to medical care. if an infected patient with a strong immune system gets proper care the chance of surviving goes up. but if they survive the virus could remain in the semen for up to three months. if you survive, you have immunity for ten years but what is still unknown if you're immune from other strains of ebola. answers and questions for a frightening >> thank you so much. obviously we are keeping a very close eye on this new confirmed case of ebola in dallas this morning. >> we've learned this morning that a health care worker who treated thomas eric duncan has now contracted the virus. we know you have a lot of questions, so don't forget to use the #ebolaq & a. we're getting answers to your questions now th

we suppose we can go to spout and get water and it won't kill us with alcohol ray or typhoid 48 hourst? both of us do. >> jon: right. >> behind that ordinary object, there's a 500-year of history and innovations and ideas and creativity that made that possible and all the unintended consequences of the innovations. it's all history in terms of great military leaders or presidents or social movements, and the history of all these objects is in a way just as interesting. >> jon: normally, you would see it as a chronology and make the connections as it goes on. it's laid out sort of elementally, cold, light, you know, water. >> yes. >> jon: and you always imagine that a scientist builds exactly on the linear discovery but it doesn't always work that way. >> a lot of things we don't think of as problems. we have a chapter and episode on time and clocks. >> jon: yes. >> until the late 1870s, every town in america was on its own time. so you would be one town it would be $8.55, another down 8:57 and another 9:53. no one knew it was a problem because you didn't need to be that coordinated. t

there is no way -- she is not typhoid mary walking through the streets with typhoid spitting and people and biting them and try to infect others. she is a normal passenger who has no idea what is going to happen to her in two days, she can't be held liable. if the one that stories for the general anxiety level. >> can't you see the cdc for not being prepared to? judge napolitano: the government has enacted laws that make it immune from mitigation. a private hospital can do things and be sued that a government hospital could get away with. stuart: the dow is going down 204 points. judge napolitano: in two days we will be talking about the gdp impact of this disease. when you contact 135 people and you may be on a plane everybody hears about it, they don't want to fly or go to movies theaters. this is a fallacy and paralysis. in the dallas-fort worth airport on thursday during your show. because i am passing through on my way to speaking at a major university in texas. i will call you from that airport into the studio and let you know if it is alive and vibrant or a ghost town. >> i heard

it could be very common infections from west africa, malaria, typhoid, even stomach flu. we'll know later tonight. hopefully it's not ebola. >> of course, you'll stay it on. dr. besser here tonight. dr. besser, thank you. >>> now, to the other developing story at this hour. the stunning new images of that moment of terror, just 60 miles north of the border. video now of the alleged gunman. watch this. a car approaches. the crowd sprinting away. and here's why. the gunman, jumping out of a car, carrying a rifle. running outside parliament there, as bystanders race for cover. what we're now learning tonight about the suspect. how many times he'd been to the u.s. and we have new images of the victim. a young father and soldier who loved dogs. he saved one. abc's dan harris is in ottawa again tonight with the incredible new footage. dan? >> reporter: david, good evening. tonight from the scene of the crime, we are just outside canada's parliament building. as you mentioned, we are now getting a vivid new look at the rampage that took place here. also tonight, we're getting a

there's a lot of malaria in that part of the world, there's typhoid.t being said, it's being done this way to be careful. >> that comes from the first case of ebola virus and that's in texas. 18 people have come in contact with the man before he got sick, five of whom are children, after he went to the hospital feeling sick but went home with a prescription for anty bite bye ot iks. those four kids are be being monitored. now, coming up in about half an hour, why the flu is popping up in this conversation about ebola. >> thank you very much, steph. >> a south bay school administrator is in hot water this morning for allegedly threatening a principal. chris stampolis is accused of threatening the principal of peterson middle school where his son attends school. the prn pal has restraining order a temporary regard against stampoliis and he defines doing anything wrong. >> absolutely not. all of her photos have her in them, they don't have me. there's no evidence being submitted to the judge of us together. >> if he can't change his ways, i'd like to see

maybe typhoid mary with ebola. and isis is covered. so the whole thing, shut down this country. they're coming. >> it's this sort of an umbrella designation, you should be afraid of everything. bad people are coming to get you. and the democrats are going to allow it. >> this is the music man. it's river city, oh, we got trouble. but they should tell us, i think a reasonable person can debate this. >> it is debatable. tony fauci said today -- you can disagree, we can discuss whether there should be a travel ban -- in our professional opinion, there shouldn't be one. >> and they're getting that -- [ all speak at once ] >> can i mention race here? >> you may. >> let's put the cards on the table here. >> you mean the word africa? >> no. the brown people coming from the south, the arab people coming from the east, the black people coming from africa, nobody's saying that in so many words. nobody's saying it at all. but it's in the background of this whole discussion, and anybody who would deny that doesn't know how this country operates. it's not the only way this country operates.

people think of typhoid mary.er got sick of typhoid, but she was a cook and transferred the pathogen to lots of people. they had to put her under a mandated quarantine. people don't carry ebola the same way. you're sick before you start to spread it. so it's a very different scenario. i bring that up only because people are co-mingling all these different terms and facts. there are people who have done it for a long time, doctors without borders, they're probably a pretty good group to listen to. >> people would be surprised there is no federal quarantine law. the only ones that exist are at the state level. >> that's right. that's why the cdc is releasing guidelines, not requirements because there is no federal law that says we can tell all 50 states to impose the following requirements. these guidelines seem reasonable. they come from experts, but ultimately this is up to all 50 states individually and, as we've seen, there are different rules and the states themselves are evolving their rules. new york has sudd

they think they came down with some other tropical illness like typhoid. doctors say they are satisfied with the measures in place so far. >> it is kind of a little bit scary. the thing that is so gratifying today is that after now in our second 24 hours with the patient, it is, the staff are calm. the procedures and all the infection control measures that we bit into place are just settling into a, a new routine in many regards. >> that patient will also stay isolated until the cdc tests completely clear him. we will keep you posted on that, jon. jon: turning now to the war against isis, the president holding a conference call at this hour with several foreign leaders to discuss the fight against that terrorist army. in syria reports of small gains by kurdish forces in the border city of kobani, their advance supported in part by increased coalition airstrikes. plumes of smoke seen rising over that city but there are also new reports of turkish fighter planes bombing kurdish troops in the area. turkey, which borders syria is resisting american calls to do

. >> he had plenty of time to be exposed to ebola, malaria and other things like typhoid fever. we don't want to say this is ebola because we just don't know. a fever can be a sign of so many other things. >> i think of that little child and being in a circumstance and what the mother is going through as well, if they're trying to separate with her any kind of barrier, be it clothing were anything, how difficult that would be. >> and how scared it must be. >> it's just awful. we pray for this family and we pray it's not ebola. >> do we ever. keep us updated. >>> the other thing is that the nurse who was absolutely furious about a forced quarantine in new jersey all ebola based, all all of the suz sudden now she's not so forced in quarantine, she's being discharged. her attorney is going to join me live in the studio with the very latest after this break. they work just as fast and are proven to taste better than tums smoothies assorted fruit. mmm... amazing. yeah, i get that a lot. alka seltzer heartburn reliefchews. enjoy the relief. introducing new listerine® healthy white™. i

. >> there is a typhoid mary aspect. my question, the president was on the mark when you listen to, he said if we don't kill this at its roots in west africa. we single 3,000 g.i.s. it will metastasize. how do you cut off air traffic with belgium? when they're all coming through? >> what's interesting, you used the word protocol. an interesting stat which was back in the anthrax scare, 61% of the country believed that the government was handling it properly. now only 33% of the people believe they're handling this ebola thing right. >> why is it different? >> it was the leadership. >> what do you think of tom frieden? >> they should have talked about canceling flights and. we don't have any cases here. it is not a problem but we want to protect our nation. now that we're having these incidents happen more frequently, we're seeing people come in on flights with ebola, people are dying from it and now you say we'll work on some flights? we'll think about taking a stand? now is when panic ensues. if they had done it on the

it because -- but you are happy to infect everyone publicly. [ laughter ] maybe granddaughter to typhoidary. are you feeling well? you're okay or not? you're all right? okay. don't touch anybody, though, okay? [ laughter ] you know, it's human nature, we all do that. we hide it. if you do have a cold, facebook wants to help you. facebook is reportedly thinking of ways to incorporate health into their about ray of services. the way it will work is, if you get a cut or a bruise or something, take a picture of it, you post it to your wall and if it gets more than 100 likes, you're cured. [ laughter ] it's amazing. [ applause ] basically -- the idea, they're planning to form what they call support groups where you can post your symptoms online and then -- [ laughter ] other facebook users will get the chance to weigh in with totally uninformed opinions about what it is. looks like a hematoma, you -- [ applause ] i guess -- facebook probably figures they already control us emotionally, why not get involved physically, too? one great way to improve your health is to stop spending the whole dal

those even with malaria and typhoid. we're sure there are a whole bunch of people dying from those diseases that are treatable. >> reporter: they drive to a clinic run by the international medical charity msf. men in masks and overalls help him out of the car. nsf will test the father for ebola. if he's positive, he could very quickly end up like the woman we saw being stretchered into the balance earlier, and his sons and daughter could face the same fate. >> gabriel gatehouse with that report from liberia. the impact of ebola being felt in west africa in particular. but the disease is also now having repercussions across the world. we reported at the beginning of this program that a young doctor in new york city now has contracted ebola. to get the latest, we can join michelle fleury in new york city. what do we know about the doctor and what is happening to him right now? >> reporter: new york city has its first case of ebola. dr. craig spencer was rushed here to bellevue hospital. it is one of eight hospitals that ha

and headache and diarrhea and vomiting, and that sounds like so many other illnesses like malaria, typhoid, pneumonia, meningitis, and other bacterial infections which makes it tricky. we could say those health care workers had a higher indication it was ebola. quite quickly was transferred to another hospital where they did diagnose ebola. >> i hate to put you in the position of predicting things, but how likely is it that someone else had it? we saw an american who had ebola from liberia to nigeria triggered a death and 20 cases. the positive is the disease has been contained. >> right, and the situation in america so different, aen tone yo. we have a robust health care system sdpiened and poised and ready and trained. people are trained to deal with incidents like this. was isolated quickly in dallas, and now cdc and local healthoff what should be doing, which is doing that contact tracing finding anyone else that could possibly have been exposed to him. >> really appreciate you joining us from dallas on what is a tremendously busy day for you. thank you. >> thanks. >>> turning to fierc

whether it's malaria or typhoid, it can be all sorts of things. >> that's really interesting. i don't think i realized that you also were initially sent home with a different diagnosis, just the same way thomas eric duncan was. it makes me concerned about whether medical workers or at least hopefully it's changed in the last couple of weeks, are on their toes looking out for ebola. david, last quick question. we've read a lot of stories about african immigrants being stigmatized, ostracized because of what's happening in west africa. has your family experienced any of that in light of your wife's diagnosis? >> yeah, it's kind of interesting, even after nancy got out of the hospital, we experienced people who were a little bit reluctant to get close to us and they were happy to see that we were well but they didn't want us to shake hands with them or to embrace them. so, yeah, we've been seeing that happen from time to time. >> nancy and david writebol, thank you so much for talking to us and we're so happy for you, once again. best of luck to you. >> yes, thank you. >> thank y

i think it's quite likely because he was exposed to typhoid that may be the lead candidate right now in terms of the disease process, but it will take a little more time to sort those things out completely. >> reporter: the hospital isn't taking any chances but until it knows that for sure, and those test results will be announced in the next 15 minutes. but these are preliminary test results. the more detailed, comprehensive tests won't dom back for another day or too. but if that testing does come back positive for ebola, much like we've seen in other case, the cdc would start tracking down any number of people who would have had contact with this patient since he left west africa and returned to kansas last week. >> the centers for disease control confirms it is looking at establishing a dedicated hospital for ebola in each state. currently only four hospitals in the entire country are e kwaped with biocon tanme mbiocontainme. betsy, welcome to the program. hold on a second. what would it take to set up 50 hospitals? >> i was just on a conference call with hospital administrators,

stid that has dealt with anthrax, west nile fever, this is the health department that dealt with typhoid, this is a different city than dal has. while not a biocontainment facility, it's very choes. and as close as you can see based on what bellevue has doeb. gh in terms of the progression of dr. spencer's disease, we should say that the prehim their tests have turned up positive. what we're told is that he had a fever of 103 when he called authorities today. and that he was in ice haitian within two hours of that initial call. they dispatched emts who were special hi prepared for this type of dwieg know sis to chekt him and bring him to the ice haitian ward at bellesue. ought it be of concern that his fever was so high when he first contacted authorities? does that indicate that he might is been symptomatic and, thfr, potentially infectious for a considerable amount of time before he made that call. gh the fever of 103 is concerning. this are are reports of him feeling shugish and not feeling well prior to that fever. ebola is only sped thu bhood and body nude of an infekted person. if

he thought he had typhoid fever initially because they're similar symptoms.xplained that he wanted to get some, seek medical treatment, excuse me. and they sent him back home. and after giving him some antibiotics, and i think motrin or something, acetaminophen. based on what he told me when they got here, that's what he told me. he told them he was from liberia. it is hard not to ask that question. >> i understand that. thank you very much. i know this is very, very difficult time for you. and we all hope that tomorrow there will be some good news. >> thanks a lot. i appreciate you. >> as we said, the nephew of thomas eric duncan. the ebola patient in dallas. up next, a passenger got very sok a flight to new york. it was not ebola but they thought it might be. how many flights leave the ebola zone for american airports every single day. on a lighter note, jeanne moos who gives new meaning to the phrase, the show must go on. big day? ah, the usual. moved some new cars. hauled a bunch of steel. kept the supermarket shelves stocked. made sure everyone got their

when ebola started, it had symptoms like malaria of typhoid, so we didn't know about it, until some peopleame from london to tell us that it was ebola. and by then it was too late. so we're very grateful for the help you've given us through the british government. >> are you worried, though, sir, that pledges might be made today, but practical help might take too long to be delivered to sierra leone when it's needed right now this minute? >> well, see, i must confess, because the british government have sent a lot of medical personnel in sierra leone. i know this because -- but we still need more. the response from the international community is huge right now. from americans, the british, the french are coming now to help sierra leone. looking for more medical workers to come, to train. not only our nurses and doctors, but to come back to this ebola. we plead, we beg, please, please, please come to our aid. ebola is nota regional or a state issue. ebola has flown from liberia to dallas, in texas. it's already becoming global. so please come to our aid. and we appreciate the british govern

we could have a lot of typhoid marys on that airplane right mow. >> you are looking at the airlines stockselling off across the board almost daily on the risk of what this means to the industry. are we going to get to a point where we start limiting the travel of people? >> i don't think so unless something else comes up. it is not going to be like the polio scare of the early 1950s where people stayed inside. if nothing else happens what is going on with airline stocks will be overcome by the fact airline prices are taking a dive. this is a scare that will probably eevaporate. >> is that what you think is driving the stocks down? the ebola fears? it appears to be the ebola fears overriding everything. >> it is all emotionalism. i don't think it is the fundamentals of the airline business or the fact that people will stop traveling because of ebola. this is stock traders getting worried about it. the airline industry has never been this healthy in the united states today with oil prices dropping down this is going to be bonanza city. >> i appreciate your comments very much. back to meg as

people say it could be malaria, it could be typhoid. you don't know. for me, when i saw that thermometer bump up to 101.3 with no serious symptoms after that, i knew enough about ebola to feel confident i was about to have a rough couple of weeks. >> how did you get it? >> my feeling is that i touched an infected surface in one of the high-risk areas and didn't chlorinate fast enough before i rubbed my face or maybe the chlorine i stayed on my hands didn't get that particular place. i can't give a definitive answer to that. i don't know unfortunately. i wish i did. i could tell other journalists, look, make sure you don't do this. it is a bit of a mystery. >> i understand you talk a lot about the hysteria, unwanted hysteria, specially in the west and the u.s. about ebola. if you worked in those infected areas, you don't know how you got it. some of the health care workers are coming back saying, i was completely covered. i did everything. i don't know how i got it. can you understand some of the possible panic or concern is a better word, that people m

there was actually no doubt which is strange because people say it could be malaria, it could be typhoid, you don't know. for me, when i saw that thermometer bump up with 102.3 with no serious symptoms outside of that, i knew enough about ebola to know i would have a rough couple of weeks. governor christie is playing politics right now. it seems to me it's an effort to work with public opinion rather than listen to the advice of the experts. i think this is counterproductive. these are people who have endangered their lives to work with people with limited resources and are dieing in relatively large numbers. to make it more difficult and treat them as if they're a potential problem as opposed to a public asset, i just think it's a shame. i don't think it's the right way to act personally. >> mukpo thinks he got infected with ebola while cleaning out a car in liberia after someone had gotten sick inside that car. >>> still to come in the "newsroom" -- >> sit down and shut up! >> that's how a heated exchange ends between new jersey governor chris christie and a super storm sandy advocate

it sounds not only like influenza but larry at and typhoid fever and a lot of things that you see on this part of the world. and it's really not as dramatic as in the movie outbreak. what you see is even a rash that looks like this, hemorrhaging is actually pretty rare. even in many situations of less than 15% of the cases. so it's not really this that is bleeding to death in these patients. this is a cartoon of how the disease progresses with the non-specifics and the symptoms that occur early on and then you move to the more hemorrhagic phase to reemphasize it can be minimal. between six and 16 days is when people declare them elves and they can progress into a bigger form of the disease or they can move into a phase where they have clinical improvement, which is actually thought to be partly associated with an immune response. so i'd like to argue that we need to move away from isolating patients and i would like to show you some data about basic medical care and make the argument that this is like hiv where we argued that we can take an hiv drug into africa and improve the outcom

you're thinking about things like malaria and typhoid fever, et cetera. >> let's get to some of thosehave been tweeted. why isn't there a quarantine procedure in place from people traveling to the usa from african countries, such as guinea, liberia, and sierra leone from ebola? >> i think part of the reason for that is that the people who are infectious with ebola are the people who have shown symptoms. now, we have the case of the dallas patient who was not having fever. the point is, they are attempting to screen for symptoms. and it is the symptomatic patients, at least, heretofore, who have been the ones to transmit ebola. so i think that quarantining someone without symptoms, among other things, is diverting effort from things that should have effort devoted to them. now, i think that the pain point here is to make sure that people don't have symptoms, as i just said. and in particular, fever. >> and how difficult will it be to establish national guidelines for the handling and disposal of ebola waste? that question also coming in via twitter? >> i think that, certainly, cdc is g

it was a century ago when added with concerns about epidemics whether it was typhoid fever or which kindinfluenza led to a new approach to immigration in the united states, or health screening of immigrants at ellis island. the white house is keen to hold open the possibility of immigration reform changes to immigration laws and those things. meanwhile republicans as we saw with the border crisis as it still is going on with the unaccompanied minors, when there are problems with who is coming into the united states and how they are coming in, it dramatically cuts against support for large-scale immigration. and that's in washington the under pinning for this debate. yes there are concerns about ebola but there is a larger policy concern that the white house is trying to preserve its opportunities on. martha: thank you very much. we'll hear a lot more about this story. obviously you want cooler heads to prevail but i don't think anyone coming from one of those companies would find it objectionable or curious if they were tested. if you had an area or whether even if those lights were stop

it sounds like typhoid fever and a lot of things that you see in this part of the world.rhage is most as we think about not as dramatic as in the movie outbreak. what we see is sometimes even a rash but even as it is less than 15% of the cases. and it's not really leading to death in the spacious. this is a cartoon of how the disease progresses with these very nonspecific symptoms that occur early on. then you move to the more emphasized phase that it can be very minimal. it's when people declare themselves and they can either progress into a much more fermented form of the disease with shock or they can move into a phase where they have clinical improvements which is really actually thought to be partly associated with an immune response. what i would like to do is argue that we need to move away from just isolating patients and by the likes to show you some data about the basic medical care we can take the hiv drugs and africa and to improve the outcomes and i think that we can take the simple medical care into africa and improve outcomes. so, this is the day that there

it sounds not only like influenza but larry at and typhoid fever and a lot of things that you see on this part of the world. and it's really not as dramatic as in the movie outbreak. what you see is even a rash that looks like this, hemorrhaging is actually pretty rare. even in many situations of less than 15% of the cases. so it's not really this that is bleeding to death in these patients. this is a cartoon of how the disease progresses with the non-specifics and the symptoms that occur early on and then you move to the more hemorrhagic phase to reemphasize it can be minimal. between six and 16 days is when people declare them elves and they can progress into a bigger form of the disease or they can move into a phase where they have clinical improvement, which is actually thought to be partly associated with an immune response. so i'd like to argue that we need to move away from isolating patients and i would like to show you some data about basic medical care and make the argument that this is like hiv where we argued that we can take an hiv drug into africa and improve the outcom

well, there's a lot of weakness in your body, fever, you know, ebola looks so much like malaria or typhoid, so there is fever, weakness, there could be vomiting, diarrhea, and dehydration, lots of things happening within the body. >> i know when you were over there, there were reports that you were fearing for your life. is that true? did you get to that edge? i know that you've had malaria before, so compare toyota. >> well, i did test out positive for malaria to begin with, and yes, there was a point where i was really at a low. my veins collapsed, they were having a hard time finding a vain to get an i.v. in, and a real point where i wondered filled survive coming back to the u.s. >> how did people treat you, nancy, when you started going out in public, because you hear stories of kids being bullied just for being african these days. did you feel like a leper when you came back? >> well, there was some of that, and it's just real interesting. there's a fear, and i really believe we need to have a respectful fear of ebola, but not of the persons, and yes, we've experienced some of that a

had typhoid fever in august so he probably will the not be tested. we learned from customs and border protection four people arrived from dulles airport since they began enhanced screenings were sent to the hospital but no details have been provided on those cases. you can see we're getting a lot of this and we'll continue to get a lot of this. dhs by the way, placing restrictions on people traveling in from liberia, sierra leone and guinea will only be allowed to fly into one of the five airports that have enhanced screening. that doesn't cover people who might lay over a couple days after a flight from monorovia to brussels and travel to the united states on a separate ticket. customs and border protection agents have been told to be on the lookout, bill, for people who have so-called, broken travel when they arrive here in the united states. bill: john thanks. john roberts there live in atlanta. ron klain by the way, the ebola czar, first day on the job. better late than never so. >> where the printer is. bathrooms are, he will get settled in. we'

. >> or you may have another hypothesis, in the case of a traveler, malaria, typhoid fever, and you cangnosis and don't need to do the test. >> the point is, just because a patient has malaria, they can also have ebola. you can have two deceases at the same time. >> this were 30 or 40 other people that were in contact with mr. duncan, but that 21-day win toe is moving along. >> yeah, it's a good sign that nothing has popped up. we're all happy about that. but i wouldn't be shocked, particularly for individuals who had very significant contact with this patient, were a secondary case to occur. i hope not, but i would not be shocked. a very important thing to realize if that occurs, that is a cluster of disease related to one source. that's not the disease spreading uncontrolled in the united states. there's a real difference between the two. >> as you know, doctor, this police deputy, who is now being checked out at this hospital in frisco, texas, over these past several days has been in contact with a lot of people. i assume a lot of those people who know this police deputy are very wor

. >> in the 20's there was a similar case with a typhoid fever. she exhibited no symptoms of it and yet they found it was appropriate to not have her be exposed to haven't been vaccined until incubation period has been over. have after 9/11, threat of bio terrorism was so great most of the states put in laws that protect us against possibility of being exposed to some sort of disease. law airs on the side of protecting the public as opposed to a person 's rights. >> governor of maine has said i don't want her within 3 feet of anybody. can he go as far as a a court order. >> that is what will happen. they have get before the court and judge has to listen to the medical experts say whether she's a threat and is what the appropriate quarantine here and then that judge will decide f they go to court her attorney said he will go back and say it violates her constitutional rights. >> based on science, you tested me twice. i don't have have ebola. >> she has in symptoms. >> that is not necessarily enough. we have seen when did the symptoms start mike. we

. >> while he was on the ship he noticed he treated people with typhoid fever.e with ebola? he said we can't test for ebola on a ship. it might not be ebola because he was treating people with a variety of diseases. but it could be ebola. they've taken his blood and it's in the process -- >> he's been in the united states for five days. has he been sick all that time? >> it's not entirely clear how long he's been sick but he's felt sick for a while. this is not sudden. >> is it just today that he's gone to the hospital, do we know? >> yeah, that's our understanding is that he just got to the hospital. >> and it's fascinating to know that -- do we know when we'll get test results? >> the test can be done in about four to six hours. i'm told that it's in the process of being sent to atlanta. they're also sending a specimen to another lab that's closer to kansas. by tomorrow, they should know. >> fascinating news that the nurse here has received a blood transfusion from dr. kent brantly. that's also our breaking news tonight. elizabeth, thanks so much. president ob