eubanks and tyrone garner, one of the two defendant inside the lawrence vs. texas decision, who was himself black, while robert ubank was white -- you bank and garner got into a kind of a fight orally, perhaps involving some jealousy, and eubanks announced at one point he was going to get a coke out of a vending machine, which was down on the first floor of the apartment building, in which john lawrence lived. so he gets up from an easy chair in the living room, puts down the bolt of vodka he had been drinking from, goes over to a drawer in the kitchen, gets some change out, and then leaves the paper to go downstairs. but instead of getting a coke, he in fact put that money into a pay phone, and he called the harris county sheriff's office, the police department in charge of that area, in which john lawrence lived. and he reported to the sheriff's office that there was a black man, referring to his partner, tyrone garner, going crazy with a gun inside of john lawrence's apartment. so at that moment apartment, so at that time there was john lawrence and tyrone

eubanks and tyrone garner, one of the two defendants in lawrence of the texas decision. eubanks and garner got into a kind of fight perhaps involving some jealousy and he announce at one point in the evening that he was going to go get a coke out of a vending machine which was down on the first floor of the apartment building in which john lawrence lived so he gets up from the easy chair in the living room, puts on the bottle of vodka that he had been drinking from, goes to explore in the kitchen, gets the change out and leaves the apartment to go downstairs but instead of getting a coke he in fact put that money into a pay phone and called the harris county sheriff's office which was the police department in charge of that area in which john lawrence left, and he reported to the sheriff's office that there was a black man, referring to his partner, tyrone, going crazy with a gun inside of john lawrence apartment. so at that moment there was john lawrence and tyrone garner back in the apartment and possibly another man and robert eubanks is on the first floor making this

had told bold faced lies and was very upset about it, and that is a part of what drove him and tyrone garner to challenge the best which they ultimately decided to do after some persuasion effort. >> host: the story gets more interesting as it goes along because it is the case that john lawrence and tyrone former's preference was to say plead not guilty and say this was a totally false report. we were not having sex. the police burst in, got angry and the drag us off to jail for something we didn't do. on the other hand for the gay-rights lawyers i.t. get the view here is that these laws are still on the books so they made a strategic decision to have courage or persuade tyrone to plead no contest to assume the fact and then unchallengeable. >> guest: that is exactly right. they were taken to jail but light from the appointment and put into orange jumpsuits and put into the jail as anybody would be arrested for public intoxication that might. the next morning they were sent in front of a judge without any representation, and at that point they have to enter an initial please come and the ini

at that moment, there was john lawrence and tyron garner and possibly another man, and robert eubanks is on the other floor making this call to the sheriff's department that, of course was a false report, and he was later charged with a serious defense. once that report was made, then it becomes a very high-priority call for the sheriff's office, as it would for any law enforcement agency. it is a potentially dangerous situation for citizens and potentially dangerous for any law enforcement authorities. a few sheriff's deputies patrolling in the area, immediately turn run their cars and headed into the apartment complex, looking for this apartment and this black man who is supposedly going crazy in a weapons disturbance. the first to arrive on the scene and encounter robert eubanks at the base of the stairs to john lawrence's apartment, and ask him where is the man with the gun? and he pointed up to the second floor at the top of some stairs where there was a landing toward john lawrence's apartment. he was quickly joined by three other deputies in the sheriff's department, and they d

tyrone garner was one of the tenth of ten children in a black baptist family. he never had a permanent home or permanent job, never owned a car, shifted from house to house. john lawrence did have a stage as a medical technologist with neither he or tyrone were engaged in any kind of civil rights movement for civil rights causes until the case came along. tyrone garnered wide in 2006 about a year after i interviewed him and john lawrence died last november in 2011 about six months after my second interview which he told me the full story on what happened from his perspective. >> so he wanted to set the record straight about what actually happened. it's true he never said they never got to tell his story at the time the case was coming along. i take it though he also was proud of the case and what had accomplished. >> guest: both men were proud of the case and what it had accomplished. they felt they had done good for other people a would be part of their own legacy and they thought it was important that the state never be the will to come in and arrest people c

tyrone garner died in 2006 the year after i interviewed him in john lawrence died last november in 2011 about six months after my second interview with him, in which he told me the full story of what happened from his days. >> host: so he wanted to set the record straight about what actually happened in the apartment? he never got to tell the story at the time the case is coming on? >> guest: i take it he also was proud of the case and what had accomplished. >> guest: yes, both men were proud of the case. they thought they had done some good for other people. would be part of the room room i could see them thought it was important that the state never be able to come in and arrest two people, either for actually having sex with each other or just claiming that they had sex in making that enough of the basis for the rest be at those important for both of the men. posted thank you, dale carpenter. he did a very fine job. >> guest: thank you. nice talking to you. >> up next, john shaw recounts the political career of richard lugar of indiana. mr. shaw focuses on senator lugar's foreign pol

tyrone garner died in 2006, bat year after i interviewed him, and john lawrence died last november in 2011, about six months after my second interview with him in which he told me the full story of what happened from his perspective. >> host: he wanted to set the record straight about what actually happened in the incident. one sense, never got to tell his story at the time this case was coming along. i take it, though, he also was proud of the case and what it had accomplished. >> guest: both men were proud of the case. they felt they had done some good for other people. it would be part of their own legacy and they thought it was important that the state never be able to come in and arrest two people, either for actually having sex with each other or just claiming they had sex and making that enough as the basis for an arrest. that was important for them. >> host: thank you, dale carpenter. good book and it was great talking with you. >> guest: thank you. nice to talk with you. >> that was after wordness which authors of the latest knopp fiction books are interviewed by journalist,