to the red queen syndrome and tracking because we've covered this and i know you're talking to tyson slocum so he's big on this whole energy market and it is a fascinating story i know just talking about it then gets called propaganda but here are investors that are complaining they were expecting the losses to and and some day for profits to flow but apparently according to reuters cash flow still weak at u.s. shell firms stock prices underperform us shell producers last year again spent more money than they collected extending a years long streak of putting oil output above cash flow and investor returns according to a reuters analysis of top independent producers all but seven of twenty nine of these producers last year spent more on drilling and shareholder payouts than they generated through operations according to securities filings unless a security filings were filed by you know adversary nations that this is actually reported earnings today s c c from these companies and they're showing losses now this is interesting because they are bullets scaling western losses you know in the f

welcome back to the kaiser report imax keyser time now to return to a conversation with tyson slocum he runs the public citizen's energy program here in washington d.c. and serves on the city f.t.c. is energy committee tyson welcome back always great to be here you're not a ticket for the american consumer you want to get the fairest price for energy and energy is a big part of the budget of every household in america in alabama gas for gas and energy and heating i mean that's that's a line item on the budget and it's a serious line item and you want to make sure you're getting the fairest price possible and you know but you're exposed to all this macroeconomic stuff and geopolitical risk and because energy is really the most trying a commodity in the world it to finds countries certainly in the middle east but also around the world could be in bed as well and their entire globe since one thousand seventy one in the petro standard is really defined as energy that's what drives the world and even believe that to mitigate that risk it's time to get off the carbon or you know gas or oil