u. k. elsewhere info. and for germany, police checkout soaring artist, dot info usa, german, great site, explaining all of this anyway, what happened with the guys. they tried to enter on something called permits, paid engagement, concession letters of invitation, only names, addresses, et cetera. and you can enter on that route, but there are the routes. one called certificate sponsorship, the border guard said, no, you can't enter unless you have certificates for sponsorship, which wasn't entirely correct. then in talking to the band over the 90 minutes, they were held in the holding pan, another v passports taken away from them the band. so i will try make this better and started talking to the board guards and told them they had other jobs. and on this particular route into the u. k, you have to have been invited on the basis of your doing what you do in your main job. now that's the funds, you know. so let me put it this way. this is not the 1st time this has happened, not exactly this way, but it's a risky route to go in the certificate. sponsorship is usually a lot safer. well, that's exactly my qu