u. k. kathleen, what happens to him? do you predict if he is extradited to the united states as well, i think still is absolutely right. he would not be able to get a fair trial here. the espionage act is an arcane constitutionally questionable law intended to go after spies and it's been normalized as a way to prosecute people who disclose information to the public. and we've represented several people who've been prosecuted under the espionage act, including drug whistleblower daniel hale, who's currently imprisoned in a communications management unit which restricts almost all of his contact with the outside world. and he was tried in the same district that julie to sondra. we tried it, and the espionage act prosecutions are played with secrecy. and most importantly, there's no public interest defense. so none of our clients nor assange would be able to claim that he was acting that they were acting in the public's interest when in fact all of them were. and there has been a very public campaign by us officials kathle