u. k. robert guys, pin folders, electorate durham university, and also of the recently published book understanding territorial withdrawal is riley occupations and exits. and in calgary canada mohammed, osh is professor at mount roll university and a policy analyst at i'll show becca published a new policy network. no problem, let me start with you. we're trying to make sense of what's going to happen next in the region. the problem i think is there are so many things we don't know. we know the nose rhonda is dead. we know the other t lead is a dead we does though. know about his bellows come moms in control. we don't know how much you, it's vos arsenal of missiles and drones, and the rest has has survived intact. that's the problem with this discussion, isn't it? absolutely, uh, in fact, as you mentioned, there are more unknowns then there are facts that we're aware of. and importantly, we don't really know how his body is going to react. will it exercise what the rodney is called strategic patie