u. k. u. s. you um does have premises. i wanna get to the genocide in the war and devin in, in a minute. but uh, i mean, unbelievably, just, um you have been targeted thrown out of labor by a style man and his regime and questioned by police just what happened before we get into the geo political context of what happened to you on a micro level as well. so slowly i was expelled from the labor of bulky, a pretty shape of party. um i id. uh i had been a member for she's 1986. i think. um and uh about 18 months ago. um the, it, uh, shopping the uh, the patch. uh, and they said you are accused of anti semitism. and now the evidence, if it forward was various articles i have written a one of them was 4 years old and they were not recent. and they were all too close, which indeed i had written. and about israel, that's what i always write about. that is what i speak about israel, not jewish there, but it isn't. so um i wrote back then i few additions. so i wrote back and i said i did this new anti semitism. yeah, i shoot the accusation. this is about as well. and i've always been concerned about is there is, there is a state, it is not the predicted. got you agree? uh as to your acquisitions our basis and that was that it was just, i have never been able to right at all. they came back with i think an identical they just should be. should judge again and friends. we got jeremy called in on this program and you know, he's been take taft. yeah. obviously. and he's the full leader of the body. that body, i sorry to interrupt, but these really invested to britain was invited this week to be style my labor conference to be auto valley and days at every school. every most, every 2nd house is a legitimate dog and for as well. so, you know, maybe i'll please, you know, in that policy. well, frankly, i wouldn't want to be in the party. the bike is summer. i don't want to be in a property that is so close. you know, i'm to israel a and a have to come to sort of to the police when i, when i hear about because that's a neg another. oh, oh, well, this was really something completely unexpected and did it at the beginning of this year this year, which well, i received an invitation to a book as well. and that's fine because about my new book to kind of you mentioned one state. and i was invited to give a talk about this book. so i went to long, this is, this takes place, this book textbook takes space in a small, a, c p, a town in south of london. it's a town called lewis. and, and, you know, the, the sort of people that come to the festival, uh, and educated what you call you bro. uh, 9 on the front line. the van to find out what the identified events usually. so, you know, i, i, to end up with my, with my book and i started to speak and i said i was addressing the audience, which was your all typically, well, meaning very use people. my daughter really had an awful lot to do with what they called science. so i said, let me just kind of find, 1st of all, there are organizations and a names that you hear. you may not know necessarily all there is to know about them . let me just start off by telling me something about how much i now you may know or the org is may know who the message did you find in the west. in britain, in particular, it is, it is classified as a terrorist organization. so when i spoke i said have math, this is actually another student, for example a party at the. ready a, i have various functions because a, as a form of government garza and or so they have a section which is a resistance against occupational resistance against israel. that's what, how much is um and somebody in the audience is and knocked off and said, you haven't said they're a terrorist organization. a power job was too much, anita. they did she mention him as in a public meeting. you have to see a prescribed terrorist organization, you have to add that. and so. ready i haven't done that under this person, said that you use 4 terrace score. there is most of me and i should knew i should. i didn't mention that because suppose i'm speaking to you, the representing the by the she knew point give you kind of students don't agree. there's not to how much is a terrorist organization and a half. that was that this person went a complaint to the police, which was very distressed by what side said, etc. please go to touch with me. i couldn't believe it is about 2 or 3 weeks off to the bestbuy for the boxes, but he's going to go up saying you are accused of being supported terrorism. and we'd like to interview you. and this is an interview under caution. so it's a former ad i really, really, i could not believe this was happening to me to the size boxes and to go there without the lawyer. so i actually got in touch with ashley stop. they looked off to me and it was, it was that serious. so i, my, on my understanding is it is against the law in, in britain, in this way. i mean, they can, the police can stop you without reasonable suspicion. and as you say, a lebanese resistance, guys, a resistance, all of that is considered a terrorist. these are, these are terrorist groups. but anyway, despite all of that, most british people are against the magenta side and against the stomach, governments are coming or israel polls show most americans support the palestine at . now. does that mean it's even more critically important of critical importance that legislation in the united states, obviously as the 1st amendment. so it's much more difficult there though they have come the mass student protests against the the genocide you can say britain, presume these are all important now to legislate so that i don't know works of fiction works of art. i worked with culture, what's a journalism, all of this can be, can be prevented from reaching the public now in britain and invest in europe use. this is a serious indeed, you know, is realize have been in the and it has a very, very. ready big reach. so if we go to a situation now where uh, if you never mind why to or speaking about style or how mash or whatever actually issue when a badge which shows the published in slab or shows something like, or has a silken like sleep kind of sign this can also then in trouble, the receipt of the neighbor party conference is just ended here in britain and a somebody a was removed from the hole because he was wearing a badge which said free pat aside. now he's a small badges with no talking about huge flag. so you know, it's like that. and it's extremely serious. the thing is that i know you mentioned a is really power there. and we've had joined much time or on the professor from chicago's wrote these really low b and the course. i'm john, excuse me, in on. but you know, we, as everyone made a big mistake and it's not actually israel. i mean, these headlines by didn't fails to rain and yahoo has risk of all the war. increases is, is not really the united states that is doing this. instead of blaming israel. a, you brain wash an entire population to believing a little arabs are evil. so there's a holocaust in western europe and then you pull british your pin and american weapons and then you know, and the, uh, is rarely occupational boys is a, me pulling the trigger. is it not a product of us empire? is clos, not missing from this analysis? yes, i agree with you. i agree with you because you she so as long as you can a, i'm going to sing the name as an individual in this case nathan, yahoo o, at something called d is around not be at then in a way you are observing the real culprits here which on the z, the head since we add pyar of the american bar. and in that sense, uh, britain and other european countries are complicit of working with the american empire in order to impose their, their will on peoples in many parts of the world. this is not, you know, this is part of this is part of the american suite was responsible to purchase useful where people probably went out to other parts of the world. uh, engaged in once we can cause you to be in genocide to act. there was new t, v to shot. well they did at the time, but i have no doubt they would have been similar to the ext. if we can see they've been treated by israel. they would have been done against native americans against appalachian mountain australia, against native canadians. we will never know, but we must assume that that's what happened. and as a result of those generals tried to act against indigenous people. and britain established itself as the you rose and then you inhabitants of these areas search. this is something in the history. one could say the dna. i'll bring the return of the west. and unfortunately we in palestine are having to suffer today. the kind of a tradition which should have been over at the end of the 19th century. but unfortunately, at a small um and step when they establish the sutler calling me that the point is around. but in reality it, they did it by those measurements that they employed previously to come to america, etc. so it's all bad luck that uh, we were quote, in this ramp at a time, which is when we're over the world. so there was a shift away from colonialism from imperialism on to independence, foundry the economy. i'll just stop you the more from the author of one state to be only democratic future for palestine. israel after this break, the total of the hollywood local. now i was working into dreamland for james, come through the we have a bus to me to a 1000000 people in california that are risk of becoming on house looks good. and then somebody forwards into 3 jobs and still not enough because of the cost of leaving also has increased coal bags and then still by chance, last year long the amount of of homeless rose by 12 percent in california. the welcome back to going on the right and i'm still here with the author one state the only democratic future of, of alice and israel don't take out the economy the economy. i interrupted you in the fall when were you talking about the timing of this latest to genocide? i should just add before i let you continue on on that, that, why is it doing list? listen to ends in a blinking, i don't know what you think when he speaks about how he's trying desperately to stop this genocide when in fact uh what he never use of the word genocide when in fact he's boring in the weapons and giving cover and support without which the genocide could all continue. quite frankly, if i look at the big, i would be very embarrassed. i would be too embarrassed to look like a look at my space, the memories. because how you can carry out the chevron of visiting various countries. talking about spar, talking about american the american road in, in bringing a piece of resolution to the con. ready how we can do that with the straight face here? no, because he, he knows very well that there is a way in which this can all come that's even added states. turns the top offs alms the understood. they're providing each round the funds and providing israel in order to keep the genocide really, all they have to do is turn time to tap off and say right israel, sorry, that's a new mark. you're on your own. it'll be in the end to the general side and the ends of the, of the, of the current phase of this company. they don't do it. and therefore, all the speeches they make, all these attempts at, and i don't know how they have a sort of colorful vocabulary like new student on ton or working night and day of this stuff in order to try to persuade people that they really are continuing the assets, while i'm doing very well, they are a doing and a betting, and in fact there are to spend those. i'm but then, but why did the journalist believe this story, but it is bite and genocide. joe, and our goal is terrorist that that'd be the that are the breaks on the increasing the regional whitening war as israel bones a, syria, iraq, iran never than a human and probably jordan to the mix. well no. jordan has nothing to mix. jordan is very essential. in as part of the scheme because jordan is a buffer state, the predict is around from of, of sources deal. i think even join even though he, it came, refused to meet netanyahu during the course of these events. and even some of these, a usually trusted allies of israel, a not responding now. no indeed. look, it's really difficult for us. i mean, there's a whole other subject about the, the arab states. what, there really is, how they continue to maintain a diplomatic ties with israel. it's quite strongly, you know, that's not, they're not a single state because expelled, these really invested the has terminated. it's diplomatic ties to israel has well not satisfied uranium. you're certainly not doing what the americans want them want them to do. but, but i mean back to what i was saying earlier, does that mean that the whole, you know, edward said many people talk about the christian palestinians, color edit site is the source of so much knowledge of generations. i've been to a time for that. there was a critique by age, as i would famously the indian scroller. that is all of what has been written about palestine and obviously your book moves on the debates to make one state solution a sense of states. thing i want to get on to the as it mr. trick, but this is about the united states and empire. it's no us about israel. it's north about the balfour declaration, i suppose, the vassal britain know a vessel states of the united states. and does that mean the united states has to be attacked directly? the lebanese resistance moved once and the resistance movement in gaza. they don't, you know, they're not going to make any impact by attacking israel. it doesn't have to be, you know, uh or nothing is really has a very important group to play in a, in the question of the american empire. so by attracting for restricting the freedom of action is around, you would get that the unimportant rocks of the american them by no, i don't see that. you can just say we read, it's rather lower and let's just go for america. but that does not mean one is not where you have to be aware of the relationships. yeah. you have to be aware that this is the way it works. so when you are engaged in political resistance or action of any kind and have to understand what it is you're really doing. now, i think that israel is one of the most important tools of them fire. and you can see that by the way, that all the western states made by america are a dash sprint to a project israel and to keep it on its feet. so you know, that shows you, it's a measure of exposure to them. so therefore, if you attack it with you, obviously with tech steps as well, but you do it as i say, knowing knowing, knowing what you're doing. the palestine has good of us near universal the international community. if i can use that phrase, which is so misuse in media or in nature of countries, backs palestine daily and yet still from russia and from china. we do most and board members, arguably on the security council who i don't know whether you feel could be doing more. they talk about a 2 state solution that may be because boots and then she didn't bring as no read your latest book. but why is it they this phrase is used still by leaders of countries, but i've expressed absolute solidarity with the palestinian cause. most countries in the world probably yeah, the story of the 2 state solution is distorted already to you know, um the, the, the issue which actually most people don't understand is that the notion of a palestinian state is i'm on the side. the is really state which is the 2 state solution. this is something that was issued by the power students who sounds at. but the reason for them doing that is a big, huge, there's the, they don't understand. the reason that the better sinews were interested in that idea was because they have feeling that this for 2 months that they would use the whole country. and that's exactly what's happening now that they didn't want to do in order to have a spot. so in a way what it was saying was, okay, let's have a smooth pump, and it's not even though it's on that you don't get the original native population, 22 percent, or the original whole 9. and it's, so that's not fair. however, the brothers sidney angie was saying, as it was, look, we'll take that for now. and uh, you know, you've decide to know the date, sewage that was suppose to me in the honest listing and position no matter the the side, the language in which it was dressed up at now the idea of 2 states was pounced on by the west because if you think about it, it shows it from phillips quite a few functions. first of all, if you talk about 2 stage, each means you are not to empty is right. is where continues to be that exactly as each stage shape does. it runs in 2 states, sir, is her, is present in the 2 states. however, uh, at the same time you as a 3rd party, as, as the so called international community. on not seeing israel must continue and to help with the palestinians. oh, nothing to we're seeing. the publish team has done something for themselves. so river, taking it for a state for the palestinians, even though it's on a fixed on their original number. that is the truth about the 2 state solution. and these people are, and if you're there are these forces and actors who support society, they want to be honest and see what i just said, which is that this is not have on the indigenous people, at least if you want to sugar land, make it 5050, if your making it at a 8020 at your beach, it's been around that. ok. it's the most that we can try to a lot to the pension that would be the only specific an independent singles could make some sort of choice. but what they've done is they've talked about the 2 state solution and you have not lifted a finger to make it up. i have said nothing in my book but and on many ok. if you believe it in the 2 states, then you, i'm the obligation to show us how it can happen. because if you look at the map, look at the map of these rooms. i don't even mean now. i mean, before, 20 years ago, following 1967, you could see the number of is really cooling is springing up on over the west bank and of the time, or because up to on what piece of land is the balancing is the going to be your max out all the more strange that the china in rush or i can be, i still using that phrase may be, but just finally as we're running out of time britain using accurate terry base. i don't know how many soldiers that we don't know that keeping it secret about their aid to israel, full to genocide, making them complicit bill bunch of the c i a back and forth with most that you worked at the p a and the palestinian authority. how to blame, aside from all of that is the elite plus of palestinian bureaucracy for the genocide of a like of which we haven't seen. i'll give a since the holocaust i don't think that to be there to take that to beat. so the trend of side, no, i think it's really squarely behind that genocide and it's western backups that's let's be clear about that box. you could talk about the fact that the, uh, the, the routing in each of the palestinians has not done anything really about opposing set aside, except by talking about just a they've continued with the same arrangements. israel, however, i don't really to tell them to, to, i don't expect much more of an i don't see people race time criticizing because this is as a pat assume it was, or this is something that was set up on the patient. it was set up by the occupied by the colonize those arrangements on not 80 and a tour to world history. okay. i agree with dr. got it kind of me sorry, we run out of time and thank you so much. well, thank you. and i would very much to read my book and get to understand why it is that i use paper one state over the 2 state solution. thank you. that's half of the show, all continued condolences to those very by u. k. u. s. and you, i'm genocide will be back 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