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well, listen with contradictory message. because on the one hand we hear from many official stats, there's no direct threats from russia. russia wouldn't dare to attack nato on the other hand, and we're also being told we have to prepare for war and the rush i couldn't talk about this is part of the, you know, conflicting messages we, we get all the time and the, but i guess this hyperlink, the fair or has some purposes for one, it creates more incentives or willingness to invest more into the ukraine and more the assumption being that this uh confide ross over there, then we don't have to fight them here. but it could also be a warning for possible future need to enrollment. again, this would be a speculation, but obviously the worse and going us we have planned and us is to create an army, begins to collapse. nathan will have a dilemma descent it's, it's gonna watch you credit collapse and like said that this proxy or has been a failure in the fields or will in a real nato, then escalate by sending more long range missiles to weapons or sending actual more nato troops into ukraine in officially or under the printing flags. and both of which could then spark of the rest of, or between nato and russia. so it's, it's so far it's unclear and this is just to increase the support for the current for, or planning for the situation to get to more moving more towards the direct force. so, but again, this is really strange august. no one's thinking about russia will invade that no one has clearly said exactly what will be the point of this or the strategy. now here are the states. we constantly hear mainstream media saying, put in, we'll just march into the you after the fall of ukraine. you know, despite his constant rejection and, and denial of this notion, and despite 0 evidence to support this claim that are being made by politicians here in the us and in europe. americans are split on whether or not to believe this . what about your pins? are they believing this allegation? well, i think they're also a bit split. part of it is because the narrative is not the consistent. because we keep saying that it's important to get to your credit into nato, because russia would never dare to attach the ukraine if it was part of nato. on the other hand, were also told ones to the russians and done with ukraine is going to march into nato. so none of this really makes any sense of the content of both ways. you know, if we have a proper journalist with integrity, they would ask this question, which one is it about unfortunately, and no one's really putting forth a clear narrative. the main common denominator would be that we're being told, you know, we should say russia, but still we are more powerful, so it ends up nothing consists of and this is something that we see with the actually over, at least over the past 200 years. whenever there's a reference to the russian events take, you will not have to use either. it's hopelessly backwards or it's an overwhelming threats to civilization. and we'll see this in ukraine as well. you know, the russians are stealing the toilets and washing machines to, to harvest them for computer chips. but at the same time, they're developing a doomsday device in space. you know, they can't take a single village with a new crane, but still they will uh, roll over over your unless something is done. so it's, um, i think it's uh that the divisions in the countries can be considered a product of this very inconsistent narrative. so, but again, this is the, the narrative we have. people are confused because the says, rushing, they did you claim that this invasion was on, provoked with us on, provoke the russia simply looking for a new territory. and if that's the case, it's an a form of opportunism. so it's there unpredictable where it will go next. but of course if you commit to draw some for golf then have to address other questions. as to what extent did we provide help to promote kits, and then you would actually have to deal with the idea that there's a peaceful settlement to this, which we're not quite ready to do yet. so we're still sticking with unprovoked narrative, which i guess feels a lot of this confusion. yeah, let's also not forget young adult and birth public. we said the reason for the russian invasion was the expansion of nato into ukraine. a look at kind of had one thing on this cuz you said, yeah, no, sorry about that. this is part of the inconsistent narrative. because for years the nato secretary general of the installed works that listen and nato expansion had nothing to do with this more. this is just rush, i want to do restore the soviet union. and then when it's on a different topic is talking about expanding nato to to the sweden and finland. now, you know, he takes us victory lap and so, so listen, the russians told us the condition if, unless we accept their child for ukraine, they would invade because this was the main concern for the russians. no more nato expansion or will. and they do credit and he says, well, of course we said no and rushing, baited. and now not the same time any saying, listen, we a, the russians wanted less nato on their border. now they're getting more. so this was kind of the victory a lot, but now he's been saying 2 things. this has nothing to do with nato, and this is the reason why russian made it. so again, this 2 things can both be true. so ideally you, this is when a journalist would come up to say, well, which one is it like a stupid thing to contradict your things? but she hasn't been asked that question yet. so this fear monitoring over russia, the constant comparison between put in and hitler or russia and the nazis. obviously, world war 2, strikes a different nerve in europeans and it does for americans. because, you know, unlike the u. s. europe really was getting taken over by the nazis, but it was the russians. and the soviets, who staved off the nazis, it was the soviets, who planted their flag on the right stuff. while most americans may not actually know this fact of history, europeans should know. i mean, you're a university professor, have the younger europeans forgotten about their own modern history as well. they should also strikes different there for europeans because this will be the ground 0 or this was the center of the 2nd world war. and the, it would likely be the center of another world war if we would fights one against russia. but also we should have a better memory of history given that this was a more on our soil, lots in united states. and there's actually an interesting pulse which had been done in france and since then the world war 2. and they asked the, the of this, the respondents of who contributed the most of the seat, the fiddler. now after world war 2, you have a almost 60 percent con