u. s. u k e u back to israel. this after a run, finally retaliated for the gaza genocide. the test run this as a nation of palestine chief negotiator attacks on their radian diplomats and the killing of thousands in bay ridge to a raise iconic lebanese resistance need to pass on this route. i would circle genocide. jo, how it goes tyra's, now, presiding over millions, display skilled a wounded, mostly women and children right across this region. i'm drawing now from rome by alice to cook. you k, diplomat in full, they, you foreign policy chief advisor. he's a founder and director of the baby base complex for him and all of the resistance, the essence of the as the mist revolution. thank you so much alice, of joining us again. it's been a while. lots happened in the year as you're on the going on the route. i think at the beginning of this year, you can see from the headlines. is there any one of course story, and that's a do by based gulf. the news you run, it's acts that israel vfc the japanese paper thing. israel steps up a tax on the wrong proxies as if they're all just their own proxies everywhere. i guess 1st your take on whether there is now there's no real us to tyrants. they said the largest fleet, the united states has in this area and then at least in the mediterranean, didn't seem to scan your own. no, i think that was deaf. would have been a mistake. i don't think there's been a lot of talk about it wrong being frightened or scared or does to it boss invests . in fact, it was a calculated decision made or given the wrong by the leadership this it would not want to cause a regional white role. big war, in other words, in the region, but for all sorts of reasons, i mean not because they were particularly fright deposit. they've been preparing for it for about 20 years. but simply because a lot of this happening and very much aware of being very closely in touch with most of as you know, the pregnant issue is already coming to a head at the moment. yes. and the most moments of crisis for the united states facing a major, major defeat of the us, the and the secondly, because the brick summit is coming up on the 25th of this month. and i think that both must go and cut her arm. and of course paging would likes us to parcel well. and at this substantial meeting with many new initiative sonata. yeah, i mean i, i do want to get back to this region, but india is foreign minister, j shrunk, it was width binds, and i mean, i'm not sure whether anyone is with the bible, is it was in the white house and it goes to india. has a huge and international, lots of transport, cory door operation going, which iran is an important, essential part to the united states to understand what's happening in the brakes. and what will be discussed in cars on the tool or they're just signaling. look, all american interests in the region should activate against the threats of a run just when india is doing a massive deal with a run, as is russia. and as is china, i, i don't think that the moment there is much understanding of the middle east. i think most of them, at least experts that were in the state department and other places have been removed. they have been removed. and we have a being run essentially by people who do not have much expertise in it. or if they have the expertise like pay most cost time, it is really from the is right perspective problem from the united states perspective. that's the us ongoing. it was an idea for us us as basically as rails man in the abiding cabinet. yes, he has, or he has an office in the white house, a he moved from state to buckland, where he did the demarcation negotiations with lebanon above maritime areas of exploration. and then he went into the white house with one secretary, and the team in the state department was dissolved as i understand it. so he's sort of all brakes as a one man band, director of the white house. yeah, well i want to explore whether it is incompetence or it is actually by design. i'll give it a but just briefly when it comes to the incompetent side of things, a rookie mistake by president possessed can be wrong to come out with the bizarre statement that somehow he'd had ej assurances that restraint would be rewarded. restraint from iran would be rewarded in the light of the smile on the mud or in the air on which we between and the reward of course was necessary, allows us estimation. i mean basically basically i suppose you could put it in those terms. but as it has been, the was sort of there is politics involved and less than 10 wrong. and i think that when, as ash can, who doesn't have that sort of experience was made for president. he was pretty well captured to can we say buys a basically buys as i read some cut to me sort of a crew in iraq. and so he did. and to his embarrassment, he did believe assurance is that he was given a by you your appear on an american or far as he is the would be substantially relief of sanctions for a wrong. and that would be a guaranteed c scar and garza on times that would be acceptable to hum us. and as he said, it is into view of 2 words. they lied, none of it was true. um, so this being a lot of anger in iran and a lot of soul searching soul searching because ron, who's being very castle and it's reactions, it is shown great self restraint, really dating back to the killing because of custom. so the money, but also off to the attack on the syrian on the consulate in syria and damascus, where it raining and generally was killed. at that point, they did mitigate very much what drones and miss house 5, but it was cast the orchestra to alaska and who was a foreign minister of that time off to it's both. and he said that you know what we call to get this right. i mean, in the sense that we are trying to be restraining and lost a lot of this conflict to escalate into a wider war. but we've called to maintain that sort of sense of deterrence and we've got to maintain a sense of strength. so there is of been a lot of criticism this restraint, much advocates, it if you like, by that or a full missed wing and the wrong has contributed to some extent of play but contributed perhaps to israel of feeling and todd to be able to take out the whole of that has put a leadership including say to us on the throttle and then to attack the level of across the board. i mean uh from all sides of the level. and i mean, is really suffering the sort of because a treat whereby they are dividing up their routes into sort of sectors. i'm telling people to evacuate one sector, a move to another sector. and then when they caught the, as i told to move back, because that sector is about to be attack. so there are more than the 1000000 displaced from the homes and the something a large number, i think 1500 killed and about 8000 injured. these are not as bullet people the so basically ordinary level needs. that being said to be connected with, says paula: and of course we have the same. the same justifications. oh yes. um. has buller is hiding behind the people? he's using them as human shields in every house. there is they produce this fantastic idea of a sort of missile at b and b, whereby lebanese was sort of keeping me solace in the homes and getting a small fee from his bullet for doing so. this is all nonsense complete nonsense because i was in lebanon in 2006, and before and often during the war, and even before the war has put a to great effort to make sure the one know up and saw o quit, indeed military assets that were anywhere near the level of these villages or cost, so they kept them quite away from it. so the idea of that then now having this house in the attic and things is just a typical propaganda. but it has no no basis. but it's being used for the tax and the tax r, as in garza intended to put pressure on the civilian life in these population. imagining that back end to tunnel on his book. in fact, far more than in 2006 a. well, let's have a nice with just the usual exceptions. let's go monitor, then suppose that this i'm with the, for our minister and the president. thank. you know, we stand as while this is an attack on the 11th the system to attack on, on as bo, we are being attacked right up through the back car and across the 11 and, and didn't pay a route. so it's very different. but yes, there is a very awful lot of criticism of iran and the wrong is having to look for a half a. you know, there is a real got it. i mean, you know, i don't want to make it sound so simplistic like you know, but it is, this is just contributed to it. i mean, those are ro dilemma. you can use self restraint if you like, in order to try and avoid going to abroad a will. that is in the interest of the run, the interest of a rush. i see interest of order for the region not to have a full i'll, i'll turn out will. but at the same time, the other side cause that i remember is that actually by too much. so for a strength, you end up with, if you like escalation and you end up with a wall anyway. and sometimes you find the bike cell for strain. i actually will comes to you even whether you wanted to know. so the question was, and this is why i think we had this officer and it was the honest, as it came from the supreme national security council, i just remind viewers that possession who has had a lot of publicity, who has no say in these decisions. this is not his field for him. the policy security policy lies in calling with the supreme national security council under the supremely that the supreme leader makes the laws decision most the press spent . he is basically concerned with domestic administration of the state, but know with foreign policy and off with security as the group. i'll stop you back more from the former advisor on middle east issues. the foreign policy chief ivy as a loaner after this break. the other of many places in the world where you can say your, on the divide between the 2 oceans and what you might not think kids, what does this, hey, and what is northern or found your vision? and the, you know, is that us national park and today's, we know the was a stuff was from taking a deep side interest because the plug it back to going underground. i'm still here with us decrypt for the british diplomat and founder and going director of the baby based conflicts for him. how starting part one, you were talking to me about this yesterday and not having a foreign policy control in there on. i mean, arguably, i mean i lived in terra and he does have power to resign at any rate, but as regards and i should also add disregard, spare, where we rotate suitcases to the side. the national security measures the true. so maybe he was power to it's, i don't know, but there's a lot of, i mean it's a very faulty issue, but i just wanted to on the line. i mean, it, ron is not alone in the style. lemme which i well did rush, i give them bad advice, reflected rush, i give them bad advice. me sure. stood by me just to make sure you know the day before as well. you know, russia has had had the same dilemma, and during the war in new grade, there would be times where they've had setbacks reverse thoughts and they've had to stop them thing. come reassess and, and actually then they've been changes in the, in the senior military leadership in moscow. so, i mean, these things are not confined to iran is the general opprobrium about this guy. lemme that, you know, if you act with restrain, it'll get great, wrongly interpreted this weakness and actually bring the boy you don't want onto. that is the danger. and so possess cams is being much criticized for those comments that he made. and for, in the sense, almost go behind the backups of the system to talk about them in with the americans and with the europeans. because he does not have a monday to do that. he does not have that monday that lives with the security council. the note with him and it was the supreme leader who had ordered, if you liked the attack in retribution for the killing of a male. and they came from the tall full from the head of the security council. so i'm, there is a lot of sort of concern, i'm sure it will pause, but i think that's one of the reasons we have what we had uh the, um, the recent miss all attack in, in, in iran, as iran in israel, as the iran wanted to recuperate the sort of sense of to tyrants a sense that they are serious. and that also to show that they have the capability of some missile because of cost their restraint on the 13th of april, when they followed miss house full, was in type. misinterpret completely, as, uh, well we'll just, you know, they will not, uh, 9 to 9 percent, but enough to buy a us above the defense systems. and so now they have to demonstrate that actually as wells, as defense systems on not very effective and very quite capable of landing ballistic missiles as to saw on target in israel in a very short notice. yeah, blanket idea of censorship at the moment of the impacts and the results of it just have some ripple. it's a total of mays be of 15, so we didn't have it and we have $35.00 that had to him. and based in israel, have $35.00 that fifteens and not a single is rarely a casualty, it'd be, is to be bought uh as regards the ssl for strain criticisms could be made that like that about certainly would've, i'm advantage over the libya to backlash over put in allowing things to get to the stage, are they willing to hand stuff to them made on to and, and so forth. but is there a similar mistake being made by people who think that netanyahu is running the show here? i mean, we know by didn't said to me not in megan in 1982. he wouldn't, a careful of 11 and civilians were killed, a was worse them and i can vague in the, in the atrocities in 1982 blinking off to october 7th. and he came to israel as a jew who was brought up of course by a lawyer incomplete on 2 of the most lads, robot maxwell is still a little money in britain from the pension fund of samuel piece us a bizarre and i think is his name doing confident and maxwell, is this a plan? was this a, a genocide 0 plan from the beginning? because then, so then jake sullivan, of the national security council, the in the united states doesn't look so stupid load is blinking. that in your planning, mazda strokes here, bringing the u. s, which always wanted to get involved because clearly the us were involved in terms of the reaction to iran retaliation using the destroys in the, in the red sea. and they're prepared for it going forward. this was the plan all alone. it wasn't. i mean, i'm not, you only can say that about ukraine work that heavy. the dictators are lensky is losing, but this is the plan to exterminate costs. i think it's higher. so i think for is for, for a long time, i mean the plan about garza and the town about the west bank and of course, destroying this bullet has been loaded aboard for a long time. it is deeply entrenched in the israeli policy, and of course, netanyahu came to congress and elated to we're off very clearly. he said in vice here to america, to war games, good wrong. so you few like the head of the octopus. uh that is strangling it. israel and he said this is a war of civilization against bumper some so everyone knew that this was sort of in, in, in the works. now i think there a
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