u. s u k. ukraine of complicity. then early this year, denmark and sweden abandoned the prob, claiming there was no basis for pursuing a criminal case on 100 over evidence to germany, which was never disposed to rush a restaurant live not to cyber security expert and former us department of defense contractor kevin mckinley see, kevin, you're most welcome. just firstly, do you see anything particular in the timing and perhaps the purpose of the belt report on possible ukrainian involvement in the north stream to sabotage? yeah, really, what i see in the timing of this goes along with a lot of what the united states has been doing. and recently in telling people not to travel to russia closing visa offices. really, the timing is fitting in with supporting biden's re election campaign. and, you know, really trying to make russia look like an evil empire to take over all of europe. and what i really see, and this is a c, i a, a operation i do support uh you know, that analysis that it was planned by and, and run by the c. i. even a few korean was involved in it. and the biggest purpose i see is, you know, it undermines bricks which is largely run by russian china. they're growing, they're taking on more countries that destabilizes the united states. so by generating these false stories, they distract westerners from pointing at them and saying, gee, you know, sweden was involved, they were involved in julian assigned, and now they've backed out saying they didn't have the jurisdiction. denmark backed out, now we've got germany and the united states basically driving this ukrainian stories . they've already tried to tie it to the owners of the company that rented this saying we invest all to russian citizens. and it all is to confuse people. this is a typical cover story that would have been planned back like see more of her said in the 2022 time frame to cook this octave accusation, effect berlin, support of ukraine. and has that been something coming? do you think has that been in the pipeline and pardon the pun with perhaps a ball michelle revelation needed to truly get the ball rolling on that? yeah, i think so. what the western countries are seeing right now is your plane is losing in this conflict. and they do not want another pull out like they had enough down to stand. they want a clean pull out where they can say, you know, ukraine was involved in this. russia could have been involved in it. we're not sure who it was, but we need to remove our support from ukraine. and this is what i really see. i mean, this is really blowing up the pipelines has harm that the german economy drastically . now, the united states does not want germany getting friendly with russia. yeah. but this is a way to say, you know, there's problems in ukraine. they've been stealing mismanaging money. they've gone out side of what we told them they could do. they blew up this pipeline. so we need to remove support from them and let them fail. what are the chances? because this was the main part of that article that ukraine planned to blow up the pipelines even before 2014, all their own at you know, their own taking without any help with north spring to by the way, in 2014, it was nothing but a discipline fraud jack really then. so your your take on that. so you know, north stream one, it only been operating for a short time back to the end. and uh, you know, the idea that a government in change at the time they were having to make don at the time. so i don't see them being capable of planning and an operation like this. and even if they were thinking about it, they would have to have full knowledge of, nor to stream, to even being planned at that time. so they're just, it, it doesn't make sense. it's more about, you know, changing the perspective of western viewers. and the more options they throw out there and the more ideas they give, they, they do the 2 main goals, like i say, make less russia look bad and unreliable and make ukraine look like they're mismanaging. and being able to grow, i find 0 credibility to that. being planned in 2014, the use of form, a u. s. department of defense contractor and kevin nichol. let's see kevin many. thanks for your time today. thank you. yeah, and that's good. so molly and is your i have signed a treaty to form a confederation of said health states. the past was a great during the 1st joint summit between the nations in new jersey capital this weekend and will be adopted at a later date. know off the summit, the brick and i'll be a leader, a choose the west of exploding. i forget. i think the things will not be different . a cynthia, this is no cancer goes on, perio is considered lovely to belong to them alone. a wealth also belongs to them separately. i think what they are, the ones who must continue to tell us what is a good for our stays in africa. are confident that suffered so much. and because the parent always in this area is gone forever and our resources will remain for us in our populations such a highly significant announcement there from the 1st joining summit, mine is our molly and for kenne