and price counties. not about those countries telling russia we're going to pay less for well, it's really about those countries to the u, the u. s. u k and the members of the g 7 and other allies saying we're going to use our bargaining power. whether that's in shipping, whether that's an insurance, whether that the secondary sanctions to bring about a price count on the global market. now, you've made some important points, and of course russia says it will simply not sell oil to countries who impose a cap on the price of it. soil. how do you see this playing out? yes, so we definitely see that russia is ready to limit its own experts, right. like we're seeing with natural gas in playing around with the shut off shut on several times. of course, that depends on how many countries are going to be going along with the price gap. if it's a sufficient number cannot afford to switch out it's well, i'm to everybody. and again, here on the implementation of the price is going to be really important. we start today as an announcement that will be happening in some form. we don't have any details about how exactly is going to, i'm going to w

u. s. u k, and the ukranian party. and yet russia still pursuing as some modest attempts at trying to if not many, then find some common international ground. i'm talking about the recent visit by team from the international atomic energy agency to these inquiries. yeah. power stations, something that can cause this fleet among the russian analysts. some of them suggested that it was a worthwhile thing to do, you know, opening, leaving a door open to some sort of an international oversight. others argue that it was a reckless move on to part of the russians because it essentially invited a ukrainian it to storm the station once again and sort of sad the ukrainian demons. i wonder where, where do you stand on this? do you think it makes sense to try to engage international organizations in this case? well, i think yes, because i a, which is or grading under the auspices of the united nations is not a western organization as a global. i am nuclear and there is widespread. well beyond the west and russia is working with th

u. s. u k. and the ukrainian part, and yet russia still pursuing as some modest attempts at trying to it's not many and then find some common international ground. i'm talking about the recent reason, my team from the international atomic energy agency to there's a power station, something that i think causes fleet among the russian analysts. some of them suggested that it was a worthwhile thing to do, you know, opening, leaving a door open to some sort of an international oversight. others argue that it was a reckless move on to part of the russians because it essentially invited a ukrainian it to storm the station once again and sort of sad the ukrainian demons. i wonder where when do you stand on this? do you think it makes sense to try to engage international organizations in this case? well, i think yes, i, because i, a which is or grading under the auspices of the united nations is not a western organization as a global. i am nuclear and the true is widespread, well be on the west and russia i

u. s. u k. and you who are laboring under police illusions now, and they think that the welfare of their citizens and even the group of little own people outside the so called golden really. and the interests of these people are simply been relegated with the ground and inexorably western countries. are going to end up in, in economic and social crisis, which will half of them and predictable circumstances. yeah. outcomes for the rest of the world. colleagues, russia is steadily overcome in economic, financial, and technological aggression of the west. i cannot call it anything else with stabilized our currency market, our financial market research li inflation rate is going down regularly. we have a record just blows in employment rates, less than 4 percent. and like now the estimates and the forecasts of economic dynamics by entrepreneurs and experts, they are far more optimistic danville back in the spring. the ability to i would like to say that on the hill, li, economic situation has been stabi

u is being fed to the fires of sanctions, the sacrifice for the sake of preserving a u. s. dictatorship. this situation has been brought about by the reckless moves of the u. s. u k. and that you who are obsessed with illusionary political ideas. and they pushed their own citizens and people outside the so called golden billy, in the beliefs into the background to this will inevitably lead western countries to a dead end of economic and social crisis. and it will create unpredictable consequences for the whole world. meanwhile, the energy situation within the block is already boiling over mass protests of erupt in many european states as citizens. blame that governments for the economic fallout from the sanctions against russia. this comes as the check prime minister claimed russian propaganda and this information campaigns of behind the demonstrations offering citizens were among the latest to voice their concerns. thousands rallied in vienna against soaring energy prices, and inflation. protests is also demanded the lifting of anti russian sanctions and the note seemed to gas pipeline activists on social media claim. the process is not covered enough by european mas

u. s. u. k. and the you who are obsessed with illusionary political ideas and they push their own citizens and people outside the so called golden billy in the beliefs into the background. this will inevitably lead western countries to a dead end. we cannot make and social crisis. and it will create unpredictable consequences for the whole world. while for more, i'm during the studio by ortiz maria phenomena. thanks for coming in, marsha. so i think it's fair to say that there was a lot of criticism aimed at the western leaf. but what about the most vulnerable countries wanted to have my putin have said about them. yes. speaking at the if they can amik forum enriches specific port of lodge of us. so plug in reporting courses, size, the european governments not only for not caring about their reading citizens, but also for action is neo colonial. is regarding africa to prove that was putting reminded the public that most of the grain but so far left the unblock your credit in ports as part of the turk

u. s. u k. and that you who are obsessed with illusionary political ideas. and they pushed their own citizens and people outside the so called golden billy, and the beliefs into the background to this will inevitably lead western countries to a dead end of economic and social crisis. and it will create unpredictable consequences for the whole world. meanwhile, the energy situation within the block is already boiling over as mass protest have erupted in many european states where citizens are blaming their governments for economic fallout from the sanctions against russia. this comes as a check, prime minister has claimed that russian propaganda and dis, information campaigns are behind the demonstrations. besides protest in germany with jack republic and others, citizens in france are also protesting, skyrocketing inflation, the yellow, vast movement as taken to the streets of paris. they were seen setting bins on fire and damaging infrastructure in the streets. several arrests were made as 40 people were surrounded by anti riot police officers. the european

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u. s. dictatorship. this situation has been brought about by the reckless moves of the u. s. u k. and that you who are obsessed with illusionary political ideas and they pushed their own citizens and people outside the so called golden billy. and the valise into the background to this will inevitably lead western countries to a dead end of economic and social crisis. and it will create unpredictable consequences for the whole world. meanwhile, the energy situation within the block is already boiling over. as mass protests have erupted in many european states as citizens of blame, their governments economy fall out from the sanctions against russia. this comes as the check prime, as, as plain russian propaganda and disinformation campaigns of behind the demonstrations. besides process in germany, the czech republic and others citizens in france are also processing 3 row for the invasion. the in a vest movement have taken to the suits of paris. they would be in see they've been seen setting bins on fire and the damaging st infrastructure. several arrests were made with 40 people the sur

u. s. u k. and the who are obsessed with illusionary political ideas. and they push their own citizen and people outside the so called golden billy in the beliefs into the background you. this will inevitably lead the western countries to a dead end, the vehicle nomic and social crisis, and it will create a predictable consequences for the whole world. and understand that putin also re been on the energy crisis to yes. why? my putting in claim that the west fell actually victim to their rhone sanctions that they imposed on russia as a punishment for a special note operation in ukraine. and now they blame in russia for that unfairly . he also reminded that the energy crisis in europe and u. s. actually started long before february this year. this is what the library had to say. the shows price, who is the current situation on european markets is a direct result of the work of the commission and their so called experts we warned them against doing so, but no, they basically coerced us to link our gas sales to the spot market. we were not the ones who wante

e u is being fed to the fires of sanction, except for the sacrifice for the sake of preserving a you as dictatorship. this situation has been brought about by the reckless moves of the u. s. u k. and the you who are obsessed with the illusionary political ideas and they pushed their own citizens and people outside the so called golden billy in the beliefs into the background you. this will inevitably lead western countries to a dead end of economic and social crisis. and it will create unpredictable consequences for the whole world. you talk about consequences. meanwhile, the energy situation is already born and over in the european block mass protests of erupt it in many european states. citizens, blame me, that governments for the economic fall out from the sanctions against russia. that's come, says the prime minister claimed russian and propaganda and dis, information campaigns behind all of these demonstrations. austrian citizens are among the very latest the voice that concerns thousands. riley didn't vienna to protest. soaring energy prices and rumford and check inflation. protests also demanded the lifting of anti russia sanctions and the launching of the north stream to g

u. s. u. k. france and the soviet union. but also with the to germany and agreed the principal, they would be able to sort of determine their pathway if that lead to reification. and either a lot happened. or if there's controversy, i just like to mention about whether promises were made at those talks that subsequently unfold folded about, you know, whether nato should expand to the, not an h to the was the right. that was used. gorbachev had different things to say about whether he agreed to, you know, the, the plans for expansion. let me, let me turn to your, cuz you're setting off because that nato action is one of the reasons latimer pollution used to justify his warren ukraine. i want to come back to you yuri and, and ask you about vladimir putin, the current russian president and the departed mikhail gorbachev and how they got along and beyond that the, the nato expansion or what was the relationship like i want to describe the attitude of the ma gorbachev towards boot in his policy as a dramatic development and actually initially got a bunch of supported put ins policy towards ukraine and crimea. ah, michelle got a bunch of sad to the annexation was justified and a restoration of historical truth. ah gorbachev never commented directly on the so called a russian special military operation, ukraine in recent months. but and his a long time english translator interpreter who worked with gorbachev for almost 40 years sad. he spoke to him on phone just a few weeks ago. and he said he had been struck by how traumatized, shocked and bewildered to gorbachev, was by what was happening in ukraine. okay, thanks so much. you're shanker, uri rossetto, in riga and simon young talking about the passing of the last leader, the soviet union, mikhail gorbachev. and his burial today, thanks so much to bother you. concerns remain about the safety of separation nuclear power station in ukraine, turkish president, russia type air. no one has now offered to mediate a deal between moscow and keep over the plant. experts from the international atomic energy agency remain on site after carrying out an expect, an inspection on thursday, and describe seeing building damage and impact tools following shelling, ukraine and russia. blame each other for the attacks on europe's largest nuclear power plant. inspectors plan to release a full report on their findings next week. here's the head of the i, a, a mission. rafael grossi speaking to reporters about his preliminary findings. i worry, i worried, i worry and i will continue to be worried about the glance. i'm thinking we have a situation which is more stable, which is more predictable. it is obvious that that the plant and the physical integrity of the plant has been violated several times by chance. by deliberation. we don't have the elements to assess that, but this is a reality that we, that we have to recognize. and this is something that cannot continue to happen in pakistan. the humanitarian crisis caused by weeks of monsoon, rain and flooding is worsening. areas in the south are likely to be flooded again as water surges from major rivers in the north. more than 1200 people have been killed and much of pakistan is under water. the un says the scale of the disaster is unprecedented and officials or warning of danger from disease and even famine. has uri baby was forced to flee her home as pakistan's flood? waters rose. when they receded. she returned to a house, kate, in mud. the mother is trying to look after her newborn baby in unsanitary conditions. her husband is worried for their health. but that over to the water has gone down, but the flood water was very dirty, very muddy. all the children have rashes and their health is getting worse and worse. on autumn, however, the floods have created the perfect breeding ground for waterborne disease. with many areas lacking clean water children bathed in pools of flood water shed with buffalo. the u. n. is wanting as a high risk of deadly diseases like cholera and malaria spreading rapidly. huge swathes of farmland have been flooded, washing away millions of acres of crops, nearly half the population already lacked reliable access to food before the floods . now their fears a humanitarian disaster is looming and may broaden us the uh, i can see a very big family. they have very soon are out i am. i can see the initial stage is already a crown right now. the rou, people who've been hungry for a week, or even 10 days heard about our international aid, has started to pour in that with an estimated $10000000000.00 in damage. it's still a drop in the ocean of what's needed and we have some breaking news coming in. the launch team has recommended that now says moon rocket launch, scheduled to day, should not go ahead. the rocket was due to take to the skies from the kennedy space center with an hours the craft is part of the artemus program, which aims eventually to return a human crew

u. s. u. k. france and the soviet union. but also with the to germany and agreed the principal, they would be able to sort of determine their pathway if that lead to reunification and either a lot happened. or if there's controversy. i just like to mention about whether promises were made at those talks that subsequently unfold folded about, you know, whether nato should expand to the east, not an inch to the east was the right that was used. gorbachev had different things to say about whether he agreed to, you know, the plans for expansion. let me, let me turn to your, cuz you're setting off because that nato action is one of the reasons latimer pollution used to justify his warren ukraine's. i want to come back to you uri and, and ask you about vladimir putin, the current russian president and the departed mikhail gorbachev and how they got along and beyond that the, the nato expansion or what was the relationship like i want to describe the attitude of the man gorbachev towards boot in his policy as a dramatic development

u. s. u k, france and the soviet union, but also with the to germany and agreed the principal, they would be able to sort of determine their pathway if that lead to reification. and either a lot happened, or if there's controversy, i'd just like to mention about whether promises were made at those talks that subsequently unfold folded about, you know, whether nato should expand to the, not an h to the east was the right. that was used. gorbachev had different things to say about whether he agreed to, you know, the, the plans for expansion. let me, let me turn to your, cuz you're setting off because that nato action is one of the reasons latimer pollution used to justify his warren ukraine's. i want to come back to you uri and, and ask you about vladimir putin, the current russian president and the departed mikhail gorbachev and how they got along and beyond that the, the nato expansion or what was the relationship like i want to describe the attitude of the ma gorbachev towards boot in his policy as a dramatic development and actually initially got a bunch of supported put ins policy towards ukraine and crimea. ah, michele got a bunch of sad to the annexation was justified and a restoration of historical truth. ah gorbachev never commented directly on the so called a russian special military operation, ukraine in recent months. but and his long time english translator interpreter who worked with gotcha for almost 40 years sad. he spoke to him on phone just a few weeks ago. and he said he had been struck by how traumatized, shocked, and bewildered, to call a bunch of wars by what was happening in ukraine. ok, thanks so much year every single uri rossetto in riga and simon young. talking about the passing of the last leader, the soviet union, mikhail gorbachev, and his burial today. thanks so much to both of you. let's take a look now at some of the other stories making headlines. gas from has shut down. gas applies to germany indefinitely. the road russian energy company says nord stream at one the pipeline linking it to germany will stay offline blaming maintenance problems. european leaders say that's a farce. calling this an extension of russia's war in ukraine. tree lank as former president got to buy a raj. a pack sir has returned to his country. 7 weeks after fleeing the island, he was forced out of office after months of mast protests over an economic and humanitarian crisis. there are calls for his arrest and an investigation into corruption. in pakistan, the humanitarian crisis is caused by weeks of monsoon. rain and flooding is worsening. areas in the south are likely to be flooded again as water surges from major rivers in the north. more than 1200 people have been killed and much of pakistan is under water. the un says the scale of a disaster is unprecedented. and officials or warning of the danger from disease and even famine. has uri, debbie was forced to flee her home as pakistan's? floodwaters rose when they receded. she returned to a house, kate, in mud. the mother is trying to look after her newborn baby in unsanitary conditions. her husband is worried for their health. but better the water has gone down, but the flood water was very dirty, very muddy. all the children have rashes and their health is getting worse and worse. on autumn, however, the floods have created the perfect breeding ground for waterborne disease. with many areas lacking clean water, children bathed in pools of flood water shed with buffalo. the u. n. is wanting as a high risk of deadly diseases like cholera and malaria spreading rapidly. huge swathes of farm land have been flooded, washing away millions of acres of crops, nearly half the population already lacked, reliable access to food before the floods. now their fears a humanitarian disaster is learning. and mab boughten as b r. i can see a very big family and i had very soon that out i am, i can see the initial stage is already the crown right now. there are people who've been hungry for a week, or even 10 day us heard about our international aid has started to pour in that with an estimated $10000000000.00 in damage. it's still a drug in the ocean of what's needed time for sports and to the us open now we're, serena williams has lost what is likely to be the final singles match of her illustrious career. the 40 year old didn't go down without an almighty fight. however, when she was out last and by was trillion, i let none of it in the 3 said epic. it lasted more than 3

u. s. made to pay ransoming crypto currencies like bitcoin . now, according to the indictment, the attacks took place between october of 2020 and august of 2022. in effect of computer networks in the u. s. u. k. israel, iran and russia. particle, hayton is more the u. s. justice department has unsealed an indictment against 3, a rainy and men. the de hughes of using cyber attacks at hundreds of computers. not just here in the united states, but in russia. israel, united kingdom and even in a ran itself. they say the targets were local governments, utilities, non profits, hospitals. what they say these men did is they say that they would get into the computer systems, encrypt the data, and then demand money for the datas release. they would send these rooms from those proven victims own printers, but performance with the man payment them. bitcoin from the victims, sometimes hundreds of thousands of dollars and they were threatened to keep the victims data locked up or similar to others if they're around. so demand's, we're not government official, say in some of the cases the targets did in fact pay the ransom. now the us treasury department is also stepped into sanctioned the men and others

and i'm saying commodities because potentially this isn't only about oil. so what are the u. s. the u. k. and allies trying to achieve here? we confirm our joint political intention to implement a comprehensive prohibition of services which enable maritime transportation of russian origin, crude oil and petroleum products globally. the provision of such services would only be allowed if the oil and petroleum products are purchased at or below a price. the price cap determined by the broad coalition of countries we've already heard from the white house that in the energy field. this is the most effective way to punish the russian government. now, when it comes to natural gas, we also heard from the head of the european commission, or sla funder line that she supports a price cap also on russian gas, not only in europe, but globally to but then comes the question. how can you call that? globally, if, for instance, china is not part of it, right? the skeptics will tell you that russia has plenty of alternative consumers. and i do have to say that there are quite a few skeptical voices among

able to buy russian commodities and i'm saying commodities because potentially this isn't only about oil bar come back to that a bit later. so what is the u. s. the u. k. and allies? what are they trying to achieve here? let me read out the g 7 statement. the caps specifically designed to reduce moscow's all revenues, while limiting the impact of, quote unquote, russia's war on global energy prices. we've already heard from the white house that in the energy fields, this is the most effective way to punish the russian government. now, when it comes to natural gas, we also heard from the head of the european commission, or sla funder line that she supports a price cap also on russian gas, not only in europe, but globally to but then comes the question. how can you call that globally, if for instance, china is not part of it, right? the skeptics will tell you that russia has plenty of alternative consumers. and i do have to say that there are enough skeptical voices, a mon western industry experts to i don't know of anybody who works in markets who believes this is a workable idea. and i think most of us who work in markets believe that it has dangers a

u. s. u. k. turkey and australia to be the guarantor stays, it says these partners should make clear a commitment to support ukraine's military. however, key officials say this proposal is not a substitute for joining nato. url rasmussen again says the ultimate goal is to drag the conflict out for as long as possible the fact. so, ukraine's actually to be bitter to part of nato. secondly, but, but this actually, i think is it is an escalation of the commitment. and it even discusses the multi decade commitment. so we're looking at western powers, trying to drag this on as long as possible. this is essentially drawing down their own surprise and essentially develop the right thing nato members for a country that's not part of the, it's not part of nato. there's no defending democracy. it's not really a democracy. and it seems like one of the potential guarantors turkey cars, serious displeasure in kiev, that's after a website link to the ukranian foreign ministry demanded sanctions against several turkish bank executives and business men for failing to join the sanctions against russia. that's just by the significant assistance and kara has been providing to moscow the website war and sanctions published several turkish bank bosses as targets for new sanctions. this site is officially endorsed by the ukrainian foreign ministry, but the publication has sparked a public backlash with former ambassadors and other international figures. voicing concern with the site under question is affiliated with the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine. silence is not an option or ministry of foreign affairs should investigate the issue given assessment within the framework of the information obtained and take action. the ukrainian ambassador to anchorage should be summoned to the foreign ministry and asked for an explanation, a direct targeting of turkish public offices. private sector organisations. am businessman is unacceptable. ukraine has no right to interfere with turkish foreign policy. turkeys you only country that can engage in talks with both ukraine and russia. in addition, ukraine earns money by selling its grain. thanks to turkey's mediation. in such circumstances, calls for sanctions on turkish. institutions and businessmen are thoughtlessness by key of ukraine needs. turkey. turkey has often offered his services as mediator in the conflict in ukraine, and we just heard it also helped a broker the grain deal with kiev furthermore, and kara also has supplied advanced military drones to ukraine. however, such actions are undermining turkeys, right? to trade with whoever it was that's according to political commentator on our son non gazelle deck with whom we spoke earlier. so he is independent and doesn't come to me. so touchy, mysterious, or business men they have right to do trade or corporation or any organization or any entity that they want. and russia is one of our neighbors food. all normal cookies interested us and being this mentor. just banks are very irrational apartments, turkish government followings balance policy between the west and russia is normal and turkey's member of nathan. that's a fact. but in the same time, i'm talking to a key corporate russia in, in business fields in this feel, feel in the field. that's the fact also, i think today by these steps united states right to cut shortish russian population. that's why i told that this website bringing the website is a part of u. s. blank. i think that it didn't ski and government is not that independent and assisted in political and i think they are acting like the vessels of united states. the incoming canyon president williams, some more router has been sworn in as the countries, 5th pad of state that as kenya finds itself in crisis with skyrocketing food, energy prices, as well as a high unemployment rate before winning the election root co served as the deputy president for almost a decade, over the years, he has been the minister of home affairs, albert culture, as well as the minister for higher education after the elections president roo chose main rival contested the results. but the canyon supreme court rejected the challenge. local journalist on monday c no gives us this report. after several weeks of tensions and political uncertainty in the country, doctor william somewhat route was finally be sworn in as the his president of the republic of kenya. this comes just a week after the supreme court u

u. k. u s. infrastructure. and obviously it was removed from u. k. infrastructure and i think it's in the process of, of been done in the us. what do you make of those western accusations against while way? well, as i said, again, it's very difficult to determine whether, you know, russia, china, or the other state agents are actually engaging in this kind of hacking because they can be spoofed. they can be, they can be basically imitated by outside hackers who could do the same thing and make it look like it was china or russia. so it's very hard to determine whether that's the case. you expect the us to respond to these accusations from china. i would think, you know, out of denial or else the other probably they'll just utterly ignore it. but a denial is most likely i would think of regarding the timing of these allegations from china that the u. s. was trying to hack into this university. obviously it comes at a time where relations between the 2 countries are the, you know, they're not too great to the moment, especially when it comes to tie o

u. s. dictatorship. this situation has been brought about by the reckless moves of the u. s. and in the u. k. and the lou who are obsessed with illusionary political ideas up with and they pushed their own citizens and people outside the so called golden billy and the beliefs into the background. your. this will inevitably lead western countries to a dead end of economic and social crisis. and it will create unpredictable consequences for the whole world. well, he said i'm predictable. consequences that's already boiling over the energy situation with the block of the european union. mass protests erupting in. many states as citizens blamed their governments for the economic fall out from the western sanctions against russia. that's coming to the check. prime minister claim that russian propaganda and disinformation campaigns were behind. all of these protests and demonstrations. austrian citizens were among the latest, a voice that concerned the thousands. riley didn't vienna to protest. soaring energy prices and inflation. the protesters also demanded the lifting of anti russia sanctions. an

u. s. u. k. turkey and australia to be guarantor states. the proposal these allies should make clear commitments to support ukraine's military. however, ukrainian officials say this proposal is not a substitute for joining nato. was cross live now to earle ras, me as an executive vice president of the your asia center earl. it's great to have you on the program today. now, what do you make of the security guarantees or rachel, i think the if they've been proposed before, and i think there's the secretary austin, kind of talking about them and plus bring them up. so what basically this does is that it codifies, or it put a legal framework on, on commitment that need to be provided by the, by the guarantor, different level, certain ones on a military, certain amount would be non military. but essentially, you might have, you move that up quite to the nato membership, article 5, but it let it move that up, even though we've seen the fact. so, ukraine's actually to be literate and part of nato sexually but, but this actually, i think, is, is an escalation of the commitment. and it even discusses the multi decade commitment. so we're looking at western power, trying to drag this on as long as possible. aaron t from member state when sure the financial and military support going on. it's a dangerous escalation. yeah, and you know, you certainly get a lot of those very big statements from politicians in the west saying that they will be committed to ukraine for, quote, unquote, as long as it takes. but another one of the guarantors on this list is actually turkey. according to this proposal, do you think that turkey is suitable given how close it is to moscow economically here? i think, i think treaty, the unique situation i don't know. cookie may be i don't think you'll see them guarantee in stepping is as follow, the everyone else i think is going to try to play the middle ground that they have so far in their economic interest than if they're better with direct goes. so i do not the turkey being as mid as you k canada, australia, and certainly the other countries have been known more so to stick together. now what you see is the overall purpose of the guarantees, as this conflict is still ongoing, and the western powers are still supplying weapons ukraine. i think, i think the key part does this, that actually there's a legal framework to that that actually provides almost like a treaty, essentially where there's where there's a legal framework and it's a formal mit. unlike right now, you have companies, but like germany example, oh no, we have, we can't provide anymore that this provide those that are part of the will be having that otherwise thanks to be placed on them or something like that. though i think it increases it and it tries to provide a long term support basis for the training. you know, to support your grain in the, in the veteran. i'm like right now where i think you got pregnant going on europe. you've got the political turmoil going on. know what happens after different election. they've got their economy, i'm sure there's going to be civil unrest this winter. so this is trying to lock something in here and he almost to a creevy basis. some type of support that would be in for a longer a now speaking of ukraine, trying to really walk in that support using pick here. that's actually dictating european politics right now. and what's your opinion on the fact that some have said that no one is allowed to really criticize key as i think this is i i'm just made at the statement, the criticism that is thrown at germany and other other member states that are, that may not be providing as much as ukraine would like. and i must say that this is essentially drawing down their own surprise supplies. and essentially di will rising nato members for a country that's not part of the, it's not part of nato. there's no defending democracy. it's not really a democracy. so i think these countries of the got political career to so they have to watch out of the goals and they should be watching their, their people, unlike what minister bareback the to hear more about ukraine than the german people . i think it seems like maybe ukraine has the as the board, the u. s. and so they figured the us only would come by and with the arm to make sure things happen. but it really is shocking to see the amount of what happened. the amount of, of a flowing in the money flowing in the crane. and yet they talked about insults of the senior people. this is just, i mean it's, you know what i would find in the military iliad, if i was your, your diplomats have those types of comments made it. the ukraine is dictating the path and there. yeah i, it's shocking to the i can only see that happening if, if they've got a big brother behind them supporting i have a feeling that we, we've seen for us and that's trust, make trip over to. yeah, we only blink in. ready newland make trip there, so i have a feeling i think we know who the big brothers are with the european is certainly will be interesting to see how things play out, especially as we head into the winter are asked me, then executive vice president of the eurasia center, thank you so much for your time and i