u. s. and the u. k. a torpedo in early parts of the conflict here. how often is that mentioned in the mainstream media? you and i talked about it in real time. i remember it in real time. okay. it's never got an airing on the main stream media. the public simply doesn't know that this conflict, 1st of all, could have been avoided. second of all, it could have been shut down relatively quickly. scott: i know you're a 100 percent correct? because 1st of all, a to, to discuss what happened in march and april requires people to re think to be of the entire, you know, narrative bitch been portrayed in the west of an aggressive russia. she can territorial acquisition, seeking to destroy it to you. but when you look at the terms that russia had agreed to, they were extraordinarily lenient. it's almost some people say it almost was like russia lost in was conceding things to ukraine, that's helped lenient scholars got. i, i remember at the time i remember at the time and, and probably was talking you about it. i, i said that would be defined as a strategic to feed it. it did it in retrospect, yes, but it shows how much rush i wanted to avoid. what's happening today, how little appetite russia had at the time for war, and believe me why she doesn't have an appetite for war today either. all right, got hold that thought gentlemen, i have to go to a hard break. and after that hard breaks will continue our discussion on ukraine space with our team of our executive. and i'm here to plan with you whatever you can do. do not watch my new show. seriously. why watch something that's so different. several opinions that he won't get anywhere else. welcome to please or do you have the state department c, i a weapons, bankers, multi 1000000000 dollar corporations. choose your fax for you. go ahead. i changed and whatever you do, don't want my show state main street because i'm probably going to make you, i'm comfortable. my show is called direction. but again, you probably don't wanna watch it because it might just change the way you the welcome ex, across stock, where all things are considered. i'm peter will build true mind you were discussing ukraine. the . okay, let me just go back to scott scott, it's the rumor mill. there's a lot of whispers going on, but you know more and more often you here, zalinski is no longer the guy and of course has been in a more enormous amount of reporting and alternative media about the machinations going on in here. we have zelinski is immediate lieutenant's calling, him delusional. that time magazine article, the economist article, those things don't happen by accident. ok. so there's a whole swirl going on around zalinski and, and then there were there his competitors in the military. they have more popularity than he does. after all, as you pointed out, you know, there are no elections going on right now. so we have basically the little m for as a landscape. what are your thoughts about the stability of the regime as well? first of all, we just have to be honest and noted. zelinski is 100 percent. the construct of the collective list of the united states of great britain, of nato, of the european union. he is a tool tool of the west, but he serves a task that is just to be the public face of ukraine that allows western governments to justify the flow of hundreds of billions of dollars of money and resources into ukraine. he is the propaganda element that we west put out there to say. this is the man, this is the face of ukraine, the face of freedom, the face of democracy, the man who was standing up to the evil russian a talk receipt. and um, as long as you know, they can sell zalinski that way. they can justify sending this money, but they can no longer zalinski and he's well past is used by data. he doesn't serve that function anymore, and therefore he's lost his utility not only in the west, but in ukraine because he's not an effective leader, is an artificial construct. and if he's not bringing in the money that fuels this corrupt regime and is corrupt nation and this in effective military, if he's not bringing in the money, the pad, the bank accounts of these other corrupt ukrainian officials. what use does he have in the military's growing increasingly frustrating, frustrated about so let's get because of this insistence on counting to the west to carry out counter offensive that never had a chance of success. always, we're going to sacrifice thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of ukrainian lives, but just to continue the money flowing. now, the spigot you bring turned off as a lensky, i think, is on his final legs there. he can't last much longer. as the leader, we see a lot of with inside you crane and outside you, crane to replace them. and i, sadly, i think this of this trip to washington dc might be one of his last guests, as president of ukraine. yeah. you know, same thing, you know, the silence is like the perfect western liberal. he, he, he likes to support ideas that have no impact on him. personally. i'm sure there's a private jet off the old up ready to take about and, you know, like gummy out of afghanistan. okay, but we're way ahead of ourselves, but that is one option. you know, is this, steve, it's really interesting is that one of the there has been made by many different um marketing attempts of this conflict in ukraine. the most recent one is corporate uh, welfare, the trickle down, you know, like 95 percent of the money comes back to arms manufacturers is if that's a good thing. okay. but they, they keep reinventing their marketing to keep this going on. and you know, yeah, i don't feel sorry for arms makers are they always have a boon when there's a conflict going on. they like wars. ok and, and, and biden likes to serve their interests. go ahead steve. as well. and, and perhaps the most ridiculous assertion that be on the is just alone. it's going to get paid back. so yeah, like all the money that we loaned into europe after world war 2. but tim scott said it even better when he claimed is that that this is, this is the loan. it's going to get paid back. it's not just the supplement, the arms dealers, and there's that money, as you pointed out, flows back to us. we did these the ridiculous assertions of why it's good for america, just to promote a war and, and ukraine. the best for you can tell that the ukraine forces last traction is you're not seeing the ukraine pans worn on politicians and people around the country anymore. they've been replaced by these really flags and, and perhaps the best education of, of the wednesdays. last hour. i think it was time magazine versus the year last year. this year is taylor swift. that's how much things have shifted away from ukraine. and i really don't even know who that is. okay. but anyway, i'm, i'm sorry, i don't follow that stuff. i the academy awards way i'm, i'm interested in that kind of stuff. a scott is what is the plan now just life support just to get through the election cycle. i think you hit the nail on the head there. this is not about the security of the western and the west is already adjusting to the inevitability of ukrainian defeat. you see nato, you see the, you, you see the united states started to move things behind the scenes to prepare themselves for a russian victory. but politically, biden can't concede that the 1st of all, he's looking for a scape goat netscape go. it's going to be the republican party. oh yeah. he is going to, uh, you know, say i did everything. i could, it was the republicans are denied the funding. therefore, the republicans are responsible for the defeat of your trade. now if the republicans happened to cough up the money, then what you're going to see is what we've already seen. well, it's ukrainians fault. we gave them every resource they needed, but their military, it wasn't good enough. they just, they didn't have what it takes, of anything to push the blame away from buying because we are in to the silly season we are less than a year away from a presidential election, which means america has gone. bring that, we're now only about politics and politics is all about shifting blame on to other people taking credit where you can. and this is what bite is going to be doing with your craig. we've lost this war. ukraine is lost as war right now. it's about ensuring that the consequences of this the feet don't blow back on joe biden, politically, that he pushes as much of the blame for this ukrainian debacle on to other people. well, and i'll also to the scott and steve here we have to keep in mind. there was somebody responsible stay crafted road to a couple of weeks into the conflict. the ukraine has already one very interesting title, because i would say then once a settlement and it will be defeat, then there's going to be the, the blame game in side of you. crane who took the money. where is the money? where is this guy? it's going to be k otic. very, very chaotic. c i n, you've already had go ahead. you get paid. already have senior officials get fired for corruption by the wednesday. first of all, it has various ministers and then talk folks in the defense ministry getting fired for corruption. they've taken the money to us, can account for the money, but you can't account for the money is as billions of dollars have been misplaced. do you? and i think the other, the other critical thing is that you can't, i think blame you crane for this last because we were told about all the page reality. we're going to defend our country. and yet, there are hundreds of thousands of young ukrainian manuals fled the country to avoid the draft that recognizing they'd rather go to jail afterwards, rather than go to the front lines and died now. and with all this patriotic got pushed it. we got the propaganda that, that ukraine is fighting for itself. why are they having to drag 16 year old boys out of malls? why they haven't put 70 year old man on the front binds because the prey and people are wanting to fight for don bass and domestic and mary ogles, they, they don't see any reason to fight for it. why are we fighting for it? and again, i don't think americans want our kids to fight for places that they don't even matter to the ukrainians. yes. got into the demographic crisis is horrific for ukraine. i mean, depending on who you asking ukrainians, who always had been notorious of a bad with their statistics here. but there are some estimates that the population of ukraine now is approximately half. it was when they got its independence, that it happens very rarely, very rarely. scott as well, what we're looking at is a, is a failed states. i mean, there are been many people in russia including blood and report and we have our church elated ukraine is an artificial state of but what we're looking at right now is a failed state. uh, you know, you talked about, you know, the chaos that they will break out, and ukraine is people who are looking to blame that. but that assumes that there's going to be a, a ukrainian government that, um, a good point operates independently. i'm sorry, the notification means the end of the zalinski really means the end of the ukrainian or rather the power, but that means the end of the constitution as it's currently configured, it means the end of ukraine is it's currently governed. there will be a new government in ukraine if there has to be and i believe this government will be and picked by the russians. and so there won't be as much chaos as you think. i think there will be a lot of retribution. i think there will be a lot of accountability, but the bottom line is ukraine as it existed in 2014 will never exist again. and i think back, i had an interesting conversation with a senior russian official just last week. and he basically said that ukraine has a very limited window of opportunity right now to strike a deal that won't allow you trained to have the maximum territory and sovereignty that the longer this goes on that offer will be off the table. and you'll be looking at a completely different outcome than the one that could be offered today. but either way, you train it strategically defeated and the terms of ukraine future will be dictated by russia not by some sort of negotiation between ukraine in the west. yeah, and steve, you know, again, auto kind of work with really right. go ahead and type in. let me ask you got this . got it. exactly right. that's what happens. the grain going forward, what happens the rest of it going forward? i mean that the demon is ation to use in russia in the west and in america. how do you have a great rest of the back to the table and say ok all is well all forget now you have sanctions are off there. they're going to be a buddy again, how do you move that machinery back into bringing russia into the world of nations? well, well, you know, scott mc my place. i want to be kind all 3 of us, but we will see that in our lifetime this is a generational breach that will not be mended for a very long time. those sanctions will not come to an end because the west nato land cannot accept that it was wrong. okay, because of their it, but they were there. virtuous russians are, they, they, uh they, they're the rule of law, the rules based or big. they can't change slightly. the only way, the only way to both the due date when it was almost out of time here, but i do have a way out for them. at least putting didn't make it to pair us. we won steve. and that's exactly right, but yeah, i was in the ukraine and don bass area is that asking and they all go for the elections and you we keep hearing from again the by the ministrations this occupied territories. look, i'm better than a rack a couple of times, scott is, has been an actual occupied territories. don't ask very helpful or not occupied. you're not to the russian soldiers on every corner of the lies from the beginning of this need to be dealt with. and the media in the western got your for you and america have blood on their hands. well with, it's all because of our occupied washington. that's why we've gotten here, gentlemen, that's all the time we have a want to thank my gets in nashville and, and delmore, and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us. see our teeth. see you next time. remember crossed up the, the, the, the a try and attack kills a how much the deputy lead the in thing route with the midterm groupon. lebanese need to ship x using use routes of driving the country into confrontation. allstate com, the at least 5 civilians. encouraging a new born all killed in his waiting strike on the headquarters of the palestinian red precedent. thousands of displays for sheltering now with a u. n. t major in casa, saying that the building was clearly marked and humanitarian sites. facility clearly marks with the red present emblem on the roof and just 2 hours ago you can see behind me and all around me, loose area was 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