u. s. is the u. s. position visa be sanctioned as a kind of mania. they keep repeating the same actions and i think they're doing this because they want to show that they still ruined the war. but in fact, every, especially against russia, every sanction they have imposed, has shown as on the line, how much they don't room, ah ah, well across stock were all things are considered non parallel. this is the home addition to remind you. we're discussing some real news. ah, okay, connecting survey also here in moscow with him and i, you want to make a 2nd point for anyone to go to the break or read about what, what happens in ukraine. and the point is, if you look at what the west equipment delivering by the west to ukraine is saw, you know, it's very, it's not adapted to, to the war. so what you say to the, what they're going to, we are going to see in the, in the winter, it's only a will armada i cause we're all, no, no use. and i look at the, on the, on the videos from, from, from jeff, actually with the, i soon older j. b. it's, so it's a radio, it's a radio. it's no, no, yes, no museum yet it's a museum. it's no use. so it's exactly what you said that they sent some all the equipment to make. do you current army, still fighting against russia, even if everybody perfectly know that it won't help? and you know, let's talk about this on. even if, if it takes takes cason, what we changed friends and fuck, if for oh, although po infrastructure we are, we are going to be completely destroy. it won't send anything. and sooner or later, russia will go back, take back caisson, take the saw, and that's all. but for the west, in my opinion, the last world target is to kill the maximum of russian soldiers. is the only a logical aim for the west because economically, as you said, it didn't work. russia is a not isolated in the world. on the contrary is a maybe one of the leader of the newer to pull our word. so the last a is to kill the maximum of foolish and saudi us on the field. you know, exactly. i agree with you. let me go to demon right now. but everything we've seen in this comes like, you know, there's been a lot of frustration for people watching this conflict. like, why is it taking so long for the russians or bog down? they have no ammunition, they have low morality. absolutely. it's just the opposite. this has been a very slow process, not to destroy infrastructure, making sure the country can recover and demur, which really goes into another level of absurdity here. ok, so we hear from the pentagon from jo, buying chic, solomon, all the rest of these clowns here, you know, as long as it takes as long as it, whatever it takes, meaning no negotiation. so that signals to russia. well, these people don't want to talk. we go and you mentioned, and you said at the end of last year, i will tell you the exact date, december 17th, when the 2 demands, when one from russia went to the nato and to washington about russia security and for so if nobody wants to negotiate in the west, russia will unilaterally achieve its security demands in and because the west does not want to negotiate, rush will do it by itself. we've already seen what it will do since of february 24th, and it will just continue to do it. and the pain dial has only been darted turner demon. oh, yes, this week for president. would you say that actually this a collision with west, with naval? wasn't it? it has to happen. so it's good that it's happened on our trips. i know that the. busy moment or the west would be prepared. you know, the problem with the previous wars that their west waste was that they were all stopped by the west at the. busy moment which the west so as an opportune one, you know like 2003 against iraq and they all have tragic consequences. so indeed can we manage to prevent something very bad from happening, even though what happened was also bad. but also also, i don't see carl that and go this war and now western blanche western interests, russian army, even if we lose or some soldiers, is going to have an experience. so fine can name offs. so in the next than 15 years, until nato completely read using arsenal, it will not at that. and don't tell me that nato did not plan to pressure russia if not, but that in the next few years. otherwise, why would they need bullet? why will they need georgia daemon? you bring up such a good point and it's something that i have talked about one on one in the recent past. is it the outcome? because there's no interlocutor in the west, no responsible adults in the room to talk to certainly not zalinski. and his gang is a lot by them. it buys out to lunch, you know, and this is a family television program. so he's out to lunch. i mean, you and i have reflected on this, but he's not going to do this again. 5 years or 10 years. he wants an answer. he wants to do any good security answer. and since nobody in the west is responsible, russia will do it all by itself. irrespective of the sanctions and all of the labeling and cancelling and all the other nonsense they do because basically what they stamps a printing press, old weapons in propaganda. zagging. yeah, exactly. and you know that the problem for the west, it more there are waiting to go to negotiate with russia. less that we, we live there will stay away from ukraine. because if you're a members of 1st or war m a fresher, in february of 2022, it was about 30 a 1000 to square kilometers. it was a. yeah. and no them are already taken. it's about under under 10000 square meters. and the next step, because in my opinion of the next strategical step for russian army, it's to take odessa. so more the which will wait less the return we were, we were willing to get some territories. you know, the, the, the, i think if we can be kind of counter intuitive about the, the timeline you, one of my favorite questions over the last few months is who's got the clock. who's got the time rush, he's got both. okay. both the clocks and the time, because i'm in the, the way it's pursued this conflict very methodically, slowly. odessa, a cough, but this act could it be possibly january, february of next year and with the price of energy, low productivity in europe. i, i personally think the headlines are going to go to economic collapse in the west and now what is happening on the ukrainian battlefront? i would, i write to add something. for instance, russia decided to take some, a economy cor program for instance, for the planes. it's a 4 years plans, it's a foils planner to, to build his own plans with miss $21.00 was a stupid under. so it's means that russia don't, doesn't plan to, to stop the come into sanctions, for instance, about plants. so yes. so risha is ready as are the plans that the sanctions will go on to you maybe a full 5 years in a sanctioned generational thing. i mean, you know, you know, you need like a 10 year calendar 20 year. you're not a yearly calendar for this. do you want to jump in? yeah, i know that the reason why i rush to expand that it's interest in your brain was because of these are some me sites. yeah. your brain did not have a long range. me so, so the initial idea was to push them away for all of us go to a distance. well, they will not be able to see the seat anymore. let me remind our viewers that brilliant forces continue to bump bon yes all day. you know, will the ask for all the, the region is in the hands or it's, it's intended on some rough groups now, so it's protected by then. yes, continues to suffer. and because americans have one of these fine marks me sounds which can hit to the distance, all 3, conduct the one with a sometimes more if you will, if you use another kind of the size. yes. in order to protect the security that people there, we decided to expand that 30 a while roll explained it very precisely as well. so just let me just be mindful of your sentence is not diplomacy. sanctions is a formal war. and we have been accustomed to this boy and the reason why the west is going to lose the sanction or is because they have an old fashioned view. they are a new meat. they think that russia is still some kind of a soviet conservative society where diplomats can get for it, made goods for checks. you know, i remember how much attention they paid to that story. they expect to be all right . all right. and so for just that than on 20 oligarchs or reach, which is not the case, which has not been the case for many years. so ok if sanctions is war and their intelligence is 2030 years out, date it. and when you have an outdated, the data, just from a point to when the sections simply because you don't, you underestimate your a, me a underestimate, i think with them also underestimate a is the, the, the strength and vitality of the european union and the strength and vitality of nato because both are both on the menu right now and it was the last to put it on the menu. ok. rush it in, force this, the west in the outcome that is positive for russia, getting it security guarantees means the end of nature, which i would definitely applaud. and i don't think the european union will sign come out in the same form that it is right now. because it is failing, it's failing, and security is failing and prosperity, those are the 2 pillars of the european union and they've lost all go ahead. yeah. ok. yes. the federal, it does, the underestimates the russian economy. you said i remember you say when we were in st. petersburg, you said that the, the said it's only 3 percent of the of the g d p. but already 3 percent. very, very important. 3, in the, in contending frames, for instance, i recall 2 energy fertilizes it's, it's one of the main, or were sometimes our leader in a gas in oil. so you can consider that you can put sanctions and start against russia as it did again sarah 20 years ago. it's completely different, but they believe their own lives. is the can cause you used to say there was a war start when the politician it to the list and the sub believe was they read it in the newspaper. so it's exactly what happens in the beginning of this crisis. the believe the all lies about the router originally economy, about the russian army and what we observe notes are interesting about the mobilization of ocean mobilization. there. they'll all thing oh, look at all the counter, but i know 300000 people, but at least they did it in about 21 months and no, and it's so it varies from message to the push i say, send to everybody in europe because i've been here run out of time. absolutely fascinating discussion with both of you want to think. well my guess here in moscow i think our viewers for watching us here in our t. c and exam. remember rock rolls ah, [000:00:00;00] ah, a ranch with rehab chars who made you know, i'm not going to tell you care about me if you care about the play. i wish somebody could just tell me why they're here or lynching, beating poverty. why supremacy for disgusting and 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