u. s. is the u. s. and, and are, is us trapped in sort of an old mindset not realizing that the resources and whatnot that are going into that are basically giving china, you know, an easier pass in the world than otherwise would be? well, i mean, let me emphasize the very outset the russian, envision ukraine is completely legal and acceptable had asked to be condemned and we should certainly try to read it. that's all very clear. but at the same time to be completely can do so. when was break out like this day reflect job political incompetence and j a. the european union and the members of the european union should step back flat on a what is the do to have this wall remedial wall breaker in this doorstep? and my simple answer is that they didn't listen to the advice of george canon. and by the way, for affairs had just come up with another article pointing on very dearly that we back in the mid 19 ninety's almost 30 years ago. josh shannon emphasize that europe and united states should alienate russia, should try to integrate russia in the new order. and i can tell you frankly, the fundamental difference between what the europeans have done with the neighborhood and what we in us yanine saudis issued in done the naval is the exact opposite. the european union has not been inclusive of the larger region is not being consumed. russia has basically kept russia, whereas by contrast assay and tries to integrate all its neighbors and bring them into the trading economic arrangement. and so for example, the world's largest retreat agreement was launch here in east asia ad, the initiative of young. and it brings together the 10 us young countries, china, japan, south korea of the new zealand. and what's interesting about this arrangement, you are for strong airlines, the united states, china, japan, japan, south korea, lindsey will, together with china and the us young. so we include every body and, and i think the european union is making some huge strategic mistakes by not thinking and calculating what kind of russia who they want to have. are they adults 10 to 20 years from now? a defeated, angry can we, that russia, you want that to the next 100 years? all russia with whom you compromise and make peace. and i will say the wisest thing to do is to compromise and mix. let me ask you about a dividing line. many writers are writing about like an apple bam. another said the, the dividing line in the world that matters now is that between democracies and autocracies, and that democracies had been put, pushed back on their, their heels. and that this is a real struggle in the world. she wrote a piece in the atlantic saying, the bad guys are winning. that. do you see that as an appropriate, metaphoric frame? or do you see blind spots in the way some writers and some strategic thinkers are looking at what's really driving conflict in the world today. i would certainly say to, and you mentioned that yes, she shouldn't listen to him or christie. so the one that was number one, democracy is india. 1.31.4000000000 people, the 2nd largest democracy in the united states, america, the largest democracy in indonesia. so why don't you, why is the united states listen to the 2 other last democracy in india and indonesia and ask yourself a very simple question. why don't the other world's large democracy says this as a contests within democracy and offices. in fact, frankie, you know, even though i can be very honest, india and indonesia are very concerned about china's rights. being all the endo, a stronger and more to china. but do they see china as a threat? linden democracy? absolutely not. there's no nation as the china to check the militia democracy. absolutely not. and it's a perfect example when you talk about was democracy that you're using the black and white menses of the cold war in a new world that these monte monte sit. they show an increasing need that for months or so the black and white perspective as clock the american mind is actually a big danger to the united states because there is far more complex and most of the countries in the world, i can assure you, want to be friends with the united states, but they also want to do friends with china. they also want to trade with russia, and they want to be able to do business in the middle. so you can see therefore it's a flexible and quite a completely different kinds of games from washington dc. that's that we haven't come yet. my city is a friend of the united states saying you can win this game but is no longer the simple check. this game that you're playing, you know, we do simple sites. it's a fairly complex game of chess. closer to the chinese game of goal that henry kissinger speaks about it, his book on china. well then ask you about china in its blind spots. we recently interviewed chin gong who's now been made foreign ministry of china and with his ascension, we've seen china engage in kind of a charm offensive. he's been in africa going around the continent showing the priority of africa ah, to chinese foreign foreign, a interests. also, we've seen the wolf war, your diplomats get withdrawn. our from a lot of post in china seems to be trying to engage in different, different terms. but i'm interested when you see the big shift on coven policy. you see the ongoing, ah controversies over taiwan and whether speaker kevin mccarthy might go to taiwan on that. what do you see as possibly some of china's potential miss steps given it's wise? what could it get wrong? well, i mean, like the hampton emphasize that a child is not a perfect country. and so than these leaders know that they're not perfect. and china, like any country makes mistakes. i mean, that's made mistakes with the on in the year 2012 when they tried to force cambodia not to have any reference on south china sea in the scan document. clearly this made mistakes in the way it has tried to exit from it's 0 of it all the c, m, the 7th, and rom was a shock to every want. yes, china has makes mistakes. any will continue to make mistakes. but if you step back an object, did me look at the bigger picture and ask yourself a very simple question. you know, the wall and the book it be and people that say you check out the 1400000000 people from china, pick up 3000000 bass. that's the leaves. about 6300000000 people and the rest of them will not get if you assume that the rest of the world tries intelligence societies left by intelligent need to know where the interest ask yourself a simple question. why more countries that being up their links with chain rather than trying to lock china in the way that even that is space is to why is that? so these 2 could be something wrong with then you take, for example, the balance and initial right. united states launcher or osha's global campaign warning countries don't get stuck in that trap. diplomacy don't joined the belgian initiative. you know, what happened? i don't 193 countries in the world. ready 100 or $140.00 countries joined the initiative. we'd some good in india didn't, australia didn't. japan didn't, but the majority did. all 10000 vision countries did so to so you aren't being therefore good china so far more formidable. far most strategic and far more intelligent packets. anything that the united states has experience and is such a pretty lynch and gone walked in washington dc. anyway, when washington d. c, had a chair to get to know and go and get to know all chinese salt. what washington do, do you see? do show me kinda there was to be mistake. the 1st rule. we know of it. no dine, no dining enemy bite. the 1000 battles when the 1000 and all i can say today is that most and i just don't the spend the time. let me ask you about trade because you mentioned trade. and one of the things that i found remarkable was the american decision to withdraw from something it had set up. and i know it had a big impact on singapore, which was the trans pacific partnership, t p, p. and i'm interested in whether they are ongoing after effects to that to day. so as we've seen, the biden white house come out with an indo pacific strategy and into a pacific economic strategy. is anyone in our c on taking that seriously? or do you think that the rupture out of the t p p just did too much damage? and it's going to take a new t p p to come in to some met american economic engagement in the region. well, i can tell you that the 10 countries, one to engage united states of america. i mean, let me emphasize that and they're still a huge reservoir of good to what's the united states within the dish? i mean, going back to the days of the one bad optically, the country with which united states for one of the most will get is not the best friend of the vision. and many americans already been aware of that. so it is their last, the rest of the united states and anything that the united states, for example, the pacific economic framework, i think i would say, yes, let's do it. but let's also be realistic. i mean, i'm best to join better yogi, which is 3. your insolence with udo o 9. and that's why burner obama prison or a one of 3 ways she don't in, in, in, in, in putting forward the initiative of the transfer civic partnership. and we all that to embrace it, even though in the united states, that very high standards for joining the t p b. so in the united states as and the donor, cham walked away from the t p. it was literally shooting itself in the foot. and as you know, the paradoxical an ironical conclusion of the t p chapter is that the united states is not even thinking of drew rejoining the r c p t p. that is a successor t p p. but china has applied for june to the fact that china's fight would join shows again, that chinese thinking long term and strategically about rather your game. it's an i think, is very important for united states to sit down and do some basic calculations. what would happen to american influence, not just in saudi's issue in all of east asia, in the rest of the world, if it is no longer a major trading partner. most countries in the world is inevitably, are the dynamic of us china to go back to your earlier statements. one where it's a 0 sum game, where if they're gaining america is a losing with america is gaining. china must be seen to be losing. and does that not, and as up in the box of, in an ever inevitable train wreck, the need to go further and here is, you know, the hands of the biden. then ministration are tied by the fact that there seems to be an overwhelming consensus in washington dc that the united states should only be top china and not engage in any kind of win, win cooperate, as you suggested. so this is why, you know, i run something called the ation piece program. and just this week we have issued a new article saying that maybe we should ask young should. because when, when, when corporation i see on us and china and this will give a free saving, we out of the united states because united states is the ok. we're not saying yes, china when cooperation. mr. yes, all friends with our friends are not young one. we patient maybe we'll do it for them so we know us, you know, so. ready i think want to help united states to remain engaged in our region. and frankly, there are some areas like climate change, like mobile financial crisis, where frank p it is in the interests of the united states to walk with china and not the shun. all cooperation between let me ask you finally about india, about which you have written written recently and said india could be a 3rd major poll of power in the world for problem solving. and it reminds me of bob's alex admonition to china that you can rise and you can become a responsible, global stakeholder in solving the problems of the world. this india need, that same sort of statement is india able to rise out of its own self interest. and begin looking at issues like climate or other issues and use its power in a way that's, that's globally stabilizing, but also moves its interest over forward. well, i mean, there's absolutely no doubt that india is rise to be, is unstoppable. i mean, in know, you know, it's angus medicine, us from the one to the 1820, the 2 largest economies of the world war, always china and india. so the return of china and india perfect the natural and it is going to happen. and frankly, the world will be at a time when you wish china tensions are going to increase the over the next 10 years. the world will be happy to see it totally independent. but all that creates a balancing role and tries to in some ways not these 2 big elephants to avoid that also on transportation. and as you know, india is firing to become a member of the un security council and which i think india should become what to be. but yesterday become a member. and then you went to go down to the best for india to build up is credentials as we become upon them. but the un security council is to show that it is completely independent the united states and china. and they can plea completely independent balancing all and say things to both power. lots of countries wanted to say, but are frightened to say perfectly well, we will leave that there. thank you so much, ambassador keyshawn, mother bonnie distinguished bellow at the age of research institute and singapore. thank you so much for being with us today. laquisha. so what's the bottom line? very soon? china is going to have the world's largest economy and a very powerful, sophisticated military. it's an uncomfortable spot for america, which isn't used to sharing power and fears at china is interest and objectives don't always align with those of washington. even if neither side, once conflict, nor seeks it, they are going to be inevitable collisions and consequences for the world as china test, the lines of power with the u. s. and the u. s. finds its national ego, offended by chinese power to stay in the game and avoid a tragic collision with china. the west just can't sit back and hold the power it has in the world. it needs to reinvent the terms of its engagement. it has to do some global deal making with china as to find ways to bring other power centers like india into the world power institutions like the un security council. then america will read, vibrant, engaged, less resentful and less likely to have a head on collision with china. and that's the bottom line. ah, a city defined by military occupation. there's never been an arab state. he with the capital of jerusalem. everyone is welcome. but the support structure of that meant in the court, all the projects, that's what we refuse. it was one of the founders of a settlement with this and the story of jerusalem through the eyes of its own people, segregation, occupations, discrimination, injustice. this is apartheid in the 21st century, jerusal
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