u.c. berkley university or m.i.t., those kind of universities where you talk and engage with these kind of young engineers or young people. next level would be that we also engaged in venture capital, really to go that route, to offer them the possibility. ok, your idea is so good, but it needs some kick start. and that is something we can offer. by this kick start, they learn about us and we learn about them. >> one of the tools you use is scholarships and there's a big one in the u.s., a $100,000 one. how does that work? >> that works actually very well. on the one side, a possibility to engage with those kind of students and young people. and also to acknowledge their capabilities and give them a background to work further on those subjects. we have very good experiences here in the united states, but also elsewhere. >> this appeals to me because it's pulling rather than pushing. if you watch the endeavors of the u.s. government, particularly in energy, they've always been pushing. give money, go and find a way. rather than saying you tell us the way, we'll tell you, if that makes sense