looking under the u.h.c. column, that dollar figure, $6,840 per employee, per year. normally even though we see the shift of services to an outpatient setting, it is a lower this population here for u.h.c., has consistently seen their outpatient ends up being costlier than the inpatient. >> excuse me. i want to go back one slide, demographics. i am looking to the right, the demographic listings, you have employee percentage mail, and numbers mail, why is that identified that way? >> it is part of the score methodology. when you're looking at risk scores, if you're not doing things, here prescription cost groupers, you are looking at age and gender. women can be costly. that is a consideration, that is why we are looking at it. for example, right below there, too. you are at the risk scores. looking at our risk scores is understanding potentially where we are at and cost current or future. the way that we do that, as we are looking at what we are spending money in terms of the drugs, the services on the procedures. we are also looking at the makeup of the population.

these are from u.h.c. members, not kaiser. basically none of the retirees have discussed this issue, mentioned it, brought it forward, or responded to my questions, want to be identified. they are real people. i'm not making this up. the question is, are physicians allowed to do that? make a request of their members and say, if you want to stay on my patient list, and if you want to get a better response, or you want me to be your physician, pay me that extra $500 per year, or $1,500 per year, or $200 per year, so i keep you on my patient list to get i thought we have equal access, across across-the-board, to all of our physicians. because we have united healthcare coverage, or we have blue shield. i really cannot say if any of these people are blue shield. most of the ones i have talked to have all been medicare. we are questioning what this practices, and is it legal within the contract with united healthcare. what this means for our members? some members cannot afford that. they don't want to reveal this, because they do no