u.n. charter. it was shameful to hear how, in justifying the aggression, an article of the u.s. constitution was mentioned. we have the greatest respect to the right of each state to respect their own founding law. however, it is time for washington to learn that the international code of behavior regarding the use of force is regulated by the united nations charter. it is interesting how the people of great britain and france, what they will think when they find out their government is taking part in an illegal military venture by referring to the american constitution. you're constantly tempted by neocolonialism. you have nothing but disdain for the u.n. charter and the security council. you are unjustifiably trying to use it for your own aims. there is no significant work you are doing in the security council. you do not consult us. you undermine the authority of the security council as a pretext for aggression. you mentioned the use of chemical weapons in the syrian city of douma. representativ

u.n. charter. we have shared a with council members through the inspector general to come back to the council with a proposal in order to be successful. the secretary-general called on the council to take action but the council could not unite. it was a missed opportunity but we stand ready to continue these efforts right now. in light of all that has happened it is more critical anotherr to avoid situation and return to the active diplomacy. we it is -- this political process needs to be reinvigorated and the effort of the envoy. humanitarian access can wait no longer. this is the only way to end the suffering of the syrian people. read of the our efforts and put in and to this long, brutal, and meaningless conflict once and for all. thank you fo. >> the representative of the netherlands. to start byike thanking the security general for his statement today. yesterday as well as today you spoke of a litany of horrors the syrian population has experienced in the last few years. in which the chemical

u.n. charter. for eight long years the people of syria have endured suffering upon suffering. suffered through crimes, starvation, attacks on innocent civilians and civilian inner structure -- civilian infrastructure, chemical weapons, the list goes on. this critical juncture i call on all members to act consistently with the charter of the united nations, including the norms against chemical weapons. if the law is ignored it is undermined. there is no military solution. the solution must be political. we must find ways toward a genuine political solution to give the syrian people dignity and freedom in accordance with resolution 2254 and the geneva communicate. to companyd my envoy york as soon as possible to consult with me on the most effective way to achieve the process. thank you. secretary-general for his valuable comments. i will give the floor to council members who wish to make statements. i give the floor to the representative of the russian federation. >> thank you, sir. russia called fo

u.n. charter on the security council which you're using and your illicit aims the un charter wasn't conceived to protect criminals our action absolutely corresponds to the goals and values proclaiming the charter of the us and its allies continue to show the slate's and neglect of international law i will take no lessons mr president in international law from russia you don't treat the security council seriously you don't work to its guidelines don't talk to us and you don't consult the time for talk and did last time the united states is locked and loaded. when our president draws a red line and our president enforces the red line the us sends and it is ready to shoot it and it's locked and loaded with sand and can stand to hear we're going to have aircraft several hours old smartly sorrows and a nuclear weapons arsenal now we also know that this is done for the national we are prepared to sustain this pressure if the syrian regime is foolish enough to test our well if it did receive his medal just this how you want to incent actual affairs to be conducted took them this is hooliganism and n

u.n. charter and the security council which you're using in your illicit aims but the un charter wasn't conceived to protect criminals our action absolutely corresponds to the goals and values of proclaiming in the charter the us and its allies continue to show blatantly gleg of international law i will take no lessons mr president to the international norm from russia. any unilateral military action violates the basic norms of international law but the time for talk and did last night you don't treat the security council seriously you don't work to its guidelines don't talk to us and you don't consult us the united states is locked and loaded. when our president draws a red line our president enforces the red line you have sensed it is really due to shoot and it's long loaded with sand and concern for here we know that they have aircraft several hours old smartness sorrows and a nuclear weapons asa know now we also know they have this damn point international law we are prepared to sustain this pressure if the syrian regime is bullish enough to test our well to produce dimmers model is this how

u.n. charter is very clear on these issues. but even with the un brushed aside the us congress has to give the green light for the attack on paper it turns out the defense secretary is promised to run the decision with the lawmakers was empty it is hard to find a legal justification for that military strike in syria absent congressional approval so whatever you decide to do i would hope you would include the legislative branch we will be reporting to congress and finally allies in ideal circumstances they'd be rallying on mars beside washington unleashing their joy in iraq on the enemy this time most u.s. partners while giving their verbal support have sought to avoid complicity to be able to get it we must say as we tell you and so always have that if we need a long term solution to the syrian crisis we not only need to respond to crimes but first of all work towards peace stand germany will not fight to possible military action and want to make it clear again that there are no decision it's just between c. and sacred this tha

u.n. charter. definitely you know you go this is i think this dangerous interpretation of the u.n. charter saying that a nation can go and attack a sovereign state just because it thinks that maybe it has not respected international law concerning chemical weapons how far can we go this is a pandemonium that the box of pandora has been opened once again and once again the west shows that it is above international law and as we've said just as they say this is what members of nato have already done in x. yugoslavia in kosovo in libya in afghanistan and with which results none of these countries today have i would say western type democracy there are and are unfortunately plagued with radical islam all these countries from playing with radical islam and it just shows that if any country has a lot of problems and not many can wish for so this means that international laws and international agreements and the un charter no longer stands for anything yeah and the public opinion doesn't seem to share either it seems for mr mccrone or to raise a million either had to take it to parliament

u.n. charter. the allies have been criticized for authorizing the strikes before the produced its report we know that to inspect is the fact finding mission from the a p c w have now arrived in the capital damascus they were set to begin their work on saturday so the plan now is to head to do know where that suspected attack took place in order to complete their investigation and in some of the other stories that we're covering the palestinian islamic jihad groups say four of its fighters have been killed in the gaza strip the group says the men will mossop during preparations which usually means weapons accidentally detonated medics at the scene said the explosion was caused by israel though they deny involvement also we're going to bring you much more on syria and everything else covering other world news stories as well much more coming up for you in the news hour and a half announced time off to insight story which starts now. the u.s. u.k. and france launch as strikes on syria the target suspe

u.n. charter that would give legitimacy to what happened last night. as our correspondent just touched upon in a recent report the french ministry of defense said it had known about a syrian chemical weapons program since twenty first scene if that's the case why take action now and not much earlier. well all this i would to probably say without having been on the ground and looked at that i have been to syria but not looked into chemical factories it was clear that the international community and does arm syria after the two thousand and thirteen events and discussions about that and it was announced by both the u.s. and international organizations at all chemical weapons and materials that been taken out of syria so coming back now and saying that this is what happened and this is what we have known for six years and all that seems very unlikely to be true to me and secondly i think it is it should be condemned and my foundation has sent out a statement this morning about it it should be condemned to because it was a very high risk activity that coul

u.n. charter. u.k. prime minister the joint military operation against assad's government has limited targeted and effective. military here at r.t. h.q. in moscow my name is khan embrace saturday april fourteenth four pm here let's bring you up to speed on the one story dominating our bulletin and that is that american british and french forces have pounded syria with missile and air strikes the attack took place in the early hours of saturday morning and came in response to allegations that the syrian government had used chemical weapons against civilians claims that were not investigated. i. was time the u.n. security council will hold an emergency session at the request of russia which calls the strikes a violation of the u.n. charter i got more on moscow's reaction from correspondent. well president putin has condemned in the strongest words as to what happened these strikes conducted by the u.s. the u.k. and france he said that they targeted not just to the military facilities but also civilian inf

u.n. charter no but we're not talking about the un charter here and yes i know regrettably the un charter doesn't cover this kind of situation the charter allows you to arm conflict where there is self-defense or where there is a security council resolution unhappily when because of the power of the veto you could not get. the united nations resolution in kosovo and i'm sure you do it hopeless to try to get it to this occasion what is the point of the united nations charter i expect you to back your decision when it came to the former yugoslavia you might change your mind of a serial of the past few days what is the point of the united nations should be if those two areas obviously the syria strikes are all about self-defense of britain. and if russia vetoed. why i've tried to persuade the. countries of the world the i.p.u. international political union parliamentary union. to change the charter i'd made a speech in cape town ten years ago and i made a speech in st petersburg last october but it's a bridge too far amending the charter is a bridge too far for the notions of the world is it

u.n. charter calling for an emergency security council meeting over the. president of the strikes in response to an alleged chemical attack a week ago the ally struck just hours before experts from the international chemical weapons was due to arrive at the scene. britain's prime minister justifies the attack on syria is limited targeted and effective but the opposition leader denounces the operation saying the bombing wouldn't save lives. the international from moscow welcome to the program is saturday the fourteenth of april it's now three in the afternoon here just to update you on a one story dominating our bullets in that syria in the past few minutes that the u.n. security council will convene for another emergency meeting it'll happen at about eleven am local time that's about three hours from now it was called for by russia which has slammed america the u.k. and france over the strikes on syria calling the actions of violation of the u.n. charter i discussed moscow's reaction to the incident with correspondent. well president putin has condemned in

u.n. charter and the security council. which you aren't unjustifiably trying to use for your illicit aims the un charter wasn't conceived to protect criminals our action absolutely corresponds to the goals and values proclaimed in the charter united states and its allies continue to demonstrate blatant disregard for international law i will take no lessons mr president in international law from russia the united states is locked and loaded. when our president draws a red line in our president and forces the red line to distinguish permanent representative for the us says that the us is ready to shoot looks and loaded and of course listening to her words with much concern and sadness we know that they have aircraft satellites smart missiles a nuclear weapons arsenal and we also know that they have disdain for international law we are prepared to sustain this pressure if the syrian regime is foolish enough to test our well that you do easterners know this is how you want international affairs to be conducted now. this is hoo

u.n. charter is very clear on these issues. mr.sident, the security council has primary responsibility for the maintenance and national securitiment and i call on the members to exercise that responsibility and urge all members to show restraint in these dangerous circumstances and to avoid any acts that could escalate matters and worsening the suffering of the syrian people, as i did yesterday, i stressed the need to avoid the situation from spiraling out of control. mr. president, any use of chemical weapons is abhorrent. the suffering it causes is horrendous. i have repeatedly expressed my deep disappointment that the security council failed to agree on a dedicated mechanism r effective accountability for use of chemical weapons in syria. i urge the security council to assume its responsibilities and fill this gap and i will continue to engage with member states to help achieve these objectives. a lack of accountability emboldens those who use the weapons with reassurances of impunity and the use of chemical weapons and national

u.n. charter but the resolution failed to gain enough support. >> this will not prevent syrian people to decide on their own political future without foreign intervention. >> u.n. ambassador says the u.s was forced to take action based on syria's repeated use of chemical weapons. >> we acted to deter the future use of chemical weapons by holding the syrian regime responsible for its atrocities against humanity. >> its unclear if any civilians were killed. demonstrators were seen waving syrian flags protesting the strikes. back to you. >> u.n. chemicals inspectors are now in syria to investigate the suspected chemical attack. there is evidence that chlorine and gas were used. >> here is a live look at the crowd at powell and market street. a rally organized by the group's code pink and the raging grannies. it just started. some say the attack is making matters worse while others say the u.s. needed to take a stand. >> this syrian american is relieved but frustrated. >> uh immediately thought of my family but luckily they are safe. it has done nothing but cause more violence in the area. >> she c

u.n. charter done with the use of chemical weapons against the civilian population again is tantamount toa war crime in accordance with the statutes of the i.c.c. the secretary general of the united nations in august of twenty thirteen qualify the use of chemical weapons as a crime against humanity or if it's really him the face of repeated and confirmed violations by the damascus regime of all rules underpinning our security france has constantly called for a strong response from the international community we have carried out all possible efforts to ensure that these horrors do not go unanswered in the u.n. and in the o.p.c. w. and that they must be stopped at the security council through its excessive resolutions twenty one eighteen twenty two zero nine twenty two the school thirty five has been committed to imposing coercive measures under un charter chapter seven in the case of new violations of the security council was unable to act to be in accordance with its commitments due to the systematic naked. with a vote veto used by russia one way to systematically using its veto in the se

u.n. charter doesn't cover this kind of situation the charter allows you to arm conflict where there is self-defense or where there is a security council resolution unhappily when because of the power of the veto you could not get the united nations resolution in kosovo and i'm sure you do it hopeless to try to get it to this occasion what is the point of the united nations charter i mean i oversee i'd expect you to back your decision when it came to the former yugoslavia you might change your mind of a serial of the past few days.

u.n. charter and to jointly tackle problems that arise rather than attempting at each step to advance your egotistical geo political game so all of the energy needs to be focused on support for the political process in syria to which and it is necessary to constructively pull the efforts of all influential players russia always stands ready to engage in such cooperation to conclude mr president i wish to take this opportunity to request an open briefing of the security council on the outcomes of the un assessment mission in iraq and the situation in the rock band camp as a members of what we see the way members of the commission attempting to create a smokescreen around this issue which is a result of their actions in syria including the operation to raise a rocket to the ground through the bombings no chemical provocations will detract attention from this from what you have done thank you article. thanks to the representative of the russian federation for his statement. and i'll give the floor to the representative of the netherlands thank you very much that's ok vessel in a benz here the

u.n. charter and the security council which you're using in your illicit aims of the un charter was in conceived to protect criminals are action absolutely corresponds to the goals and values of proclaiming in the charter the us and its allies continue to show blatant neglect of international law i will take no lessons mr president in international nor from russia you don't treat the security council seriously you don't work to its guidelines i don't talk to others and you don't consult on the time for talk and did last night the united states there's a lot and loaded. when our president drollest a red line our president enforces the red line the us and it is ready to shoot and it's long loaded with sand and concern to hear we are going to have aircraft several hours old smartness sorrows and a nuclear weapons arsenal now we also know they have these damn point a national law we are prepared to sustain this pressure if the syrian regime is bullish enough to test our will to produce dimmers level is this how you want instant national affairs to be conducted now this is hooliganism you are not min

u.n. charter. an integrated approach should be taken to counter traditional and nontraditional security challenges and the coordination should be housed nationally and multinational he. we must ensure there is security mechanisms to coordinate with each other in an inclusive and complement three manner rather than undercut each other. this will lead to universal and common security. with the future in mind, we need to engage in cooperation for win-win results. we should stay committed to openness, conductivity and he major benefits an and global economy, reinforce other multilateral frameworks. we should promote trade and investment anticipation to support the national trading system and foster new technologies, new industries and new forms and models of business. this weight we will make economic globalization more open, more inclusive, balanced, and beneficial to all. with the future in mind, we need to uphold inclusiveness and seek harmony without uniformity. lateral andngthen multilateral corpo

u.n. charter to defd ourselves. james: the west rejects that, so what could the military response involve? the americans have the uss donald cook in the mediterranean, and it could hit syrian targets with cruise missiles. they could be supported by british tornadoes in cyprus. then the french have their frigate, as well as french fighter jets based in jordan. u.s. and u.k. submarines are in the reon, too, armed with cruise missiles. no one is suggesting there has to be confrontatn with the russians, but they have antimissile defense syems at 2 airbases in syria, with a range capable of reaching cyprus. the russians have an unknown number of fighter jets in the region. whatever precisely happened in douma, russia's defense ministry accuses britain directly of organizing it. the u.s. says it has proved the assad regime is responsible. the war of words is louder than ever. any unknown.teps are still james robbins, bbc news. jane: for more on the perspective from the middle east, spoke a short time ago to our chief inte

u.n. charter and to jointly tackle problems that arise rather than attempting at each step to advance your egotistical geo political game so all of the energy needs to be focused on support for the political process in syria to which and it is necessary to constructively pull the efforts of all influential players russia always stands ready to engage in such cooperation to conclude mr president i wish to take this opportunity to request an open briefing of the security council on the outcomes of the un assessment mission in iraq and the situation in the rock band camp as a members of what we see the way members of the commission attempting to create a smokescreen around this issue which is a result of their actions in syria including the operation to raise a rocket to the ground through the bombings and no chemical provocations will detract attention from this from what you have done thank you. thanks to a representative of the russian federation for his statement. and i'll give the floor to the representative of the just joining us here on al-jazeera we have been listening in to this live

u.n. charter and that's why we convened a meeting that we had today. we just been informed that to morrow will have another open meeting regarding the threats that the united states. sent against not just syria in this case but against the whole u.n. system your colleague the u.s. envoy to the to the u.n. nikki haley just a few days ago said that the quote security council has proved itself to be useless what's your assessment of the comments on it. well i think that the security council has a lot of problems i think it has a lot of all sorts challenges. we can talk about the need of reform of the security council we can talk about the privilege that the permanent members of the security council have that we think that we will leave that that should be change but at this particular moment i think the main challenge of the security council hass is to unite and to create an independent mechanism in order to investigate the arledge chemical attacks but even if that doesn't war that doesn't allow the united states to take actions by its own so whatever hap

u.n. charter for him to read it. and let everybody know i don't have any idea. the believing ambassador to the u.s. the rentier there together with the russian envoy vassily not ben's here i spoke to mr laurenti on our program as well he told me the u.s. threatens to undermine the very principles on which the united nations is based. the problem is that the united states believes it's us it would be as it is of any any law they believe that they have their own rules and it is not the case the threat to use force you not to action the goals against the united nations charter and also we are concerned about the possibility of this coalition that this could go out of control and we might end up with why there a conflict that done the one that's already been suffer in syria it will not be an attack against syria but also an attack against the whole united nations system the claims of a chemical attack on a syrian city of duma were made by the self-styled civil defense group known as the white helmets russian experts have been to that area themselves they say they fo

u.n. charter violating international law by conducting this unilateral action. well i just was right as usual that whatever happens in the security council is going to be vetoed by one party or the other the russians will veto anything that takes place in syria the americans consistently veto anything that takes place in israel and palestine so the security council is immobilized as a peacemaking body when you get the interests of the great powers involved but on the initial question as far as i know international law allows you to use preemptive military force if there is a direct and imminent immediate clear threat to your national well being in this case there obviously wasn't that it wasn't attacking americans unlike say the car that tack against the u.s. when the u.s. was retaliation many people thought was the nine eleven many people thought that was legitimate but this is not about the fine points of the rule of law this is about big power kind of new imperialist actions whether it's the russians or the americans doing it they're both acting in similar wa

u.n. charter for him to read to. him and if anything i'm not sure i don't have any idea because. we spoke to mr llorente on our program as well he says the u.s. threatens to undermine the very principles on which the united nations is based the problem is that the united states believes and i thought it would be. any any little they believe that they have their own rules and it is not the case the threat to use force you know through action that goes against the united nations charter and also we are concerned about the possibility of this coalition that this could go out of control and we might end up with why there a conflict that done the one that's already been suffer in syria it will not be an attack against syria but also an attack against the whole united nations system. the claims of a chemical attack on the syrian city of duma were made by the self styled a civil defense group known as the white helmets russian experts have been to the area and say that they have found no evidence that a toxic substance was used the first group of inspectors from the international chemic

u.n. charter in terms of self defense. yes i mean the result of that presumably because the. britain and france and. now we call of the french pulled out of the white house hope that he that us in violation of international law on the eve of the of the chemical inspection team ironical to damascus i mean before they start working before they start inspect inspection they just at that yes this is we don't live in a jungle it's you know the earth and the. whole world is not only united states and everything else is just the backyard certainly in the past twenty four forty eight hours the israeli government the british back israeli government is now saying it will attack syria again if the syrian government uses russian defensive technology against missile strikes or what do you think of avg only to businesses just just is just pure israeli arrogance. let's let's wait and see let's wait and see if we if we get these you know or defense systems and they get that us and then we will escalate i mean we these these missile systems are to defend ourselves then we don't we don't want

u.n. charter self-defense as a legal pretext for such activity almost everyone knows that yemen has about five hundred to six hundred ballastic missile is between short and long ground ballastic missiles they have used only about ten to fifteen percent from these missiles all these missiles are russian made or north korean made missiles which were both by by previous governments in yemen we hadn't had any war that we have used this technique just imagine for the for the last forty years yemen where by and ballastic missiles and to say that iran is who is sending this missile this is actually is really silly i mean the saudi house has destroyed all human ports and airports they have closed all yemen border i mean if it be able to go fish. no need for data on the coast of yemen they cannot go more than twenty or thirty kilometer if you go the better they will bomb you is a small boat and sometimes they bomb you like five kilometers from from them and cause so how can you smoke this huge amount of missiles into yemen very briefly update us on the humanitarian situation of the british and ame

u.n. charter and the security council. which you aren't unjustifiably trying to use for your illicit aims the un charter wasn't conceived to protect criminals our action absolutely corresponds to the goals and values proclaimed in the charter of united states and its allies continue to demonstrate the blatant disregard for international law i will take no lessons mr president in international law from russia the united states is locked and loaded. when our president draws a red line in our president and forces the red line to be distinguished permanent representative for the us says that the us is ready to shoot looks and loaded and of course we listen to her words with much concern and sadness we know that they have aircraft satellites smart missile it was a nuclear weapons arsenal and we also know that they have this day for the international law we are prepared to sustain this pressure if the syrian regime is foolish enough to test our will to do the steamer's no this is how you want international affairs to be conducte

u.n. charter article two paragraph four what happened in the hague where yugoslavia sued nine countries trying to get a new judge in order to stop the bombing they failed to do so. the quarter germans did not take a decision i had hoped within a year there would have been a decision but nothing came from yugoslavia from the from the court presumably because yugoslavia was no longer in existence but i would have loved to have a decision to confirm a situation where there is a vacuum palaces and the united nations is an able or unwilling to act and that's what you do i mean in course over there were hundreds of thousands of people suffering from ethnic cleansing murder the fact leave the matter. law as you for virtually general know clearly why did theresa may not use what you are about to tell me about the dreadful circumstances involved as well as part of her legal justification but it she did in her statement she quoted she quoted don't let clear the words from my book but she did say i am following exactly the precedent of what was done in kosovo and those are the lect quotation from her sta

u.n. charter this has just been extreme genocide over the last sever years. several hundred thousand have been killed and millions displaced and the syrian government as long as they have supported will continue to do this until they take down every opposition against them. >> that was my next question, when and if he will face war crimes internationally. he has prevailed through seven years of war continuing his lifestyle through all of this. some wonder if he is worried or concerned in the face of condemnation that might have teeth at some point. it seems with the backing he may not be ton losing side. over the last several years he has been bucked up by help from his partners. so i doubt as long as he is supported by other regimes he'll be brought to trial. >> we'll see what may be brought on his scitizens. thanks so much. >> thank you. >>> now to germany. >> two died and 20 others were hurt. police say the suspect, a german citizen shot and killed himself. >> i cording to reports he was known to have psychological issuing but no link to radical islam. wha

u.n. charter. >> russia has done everything possible to convince the united states and allies to refrain from their military plans the united states and allies continue to show blatant disregard. >> we are live looking at the fallout here. russia is in firm support of syria. the strikes doing nothing to change the dynamic. b is russia some how strengthened? >> it shows it was week globally. it was following the poisoning of the russian spy in the u.k. along with his daughter. we can say there was a united opposition to russia on that because of the quick way that an international displeasure was shown by about 150 different diplomats. they have doubled down on their support. they say they will consider giving more sophisticated air defense systems presumably because it would allow them to bett better handle air strikes. russia's position i don't think has significantly changed. it doesn't really seem that the sort of bigger picture diplomacy has changed. yes, the united states, france, britain and germany are going to put forward a u.n. security council resolution will put together a permanen

u.n. charter i got more of moscow's reaction from correspondent dan of well president putin has condemned in the strongest words as to what happened as these strikes conducted by the u.s. the u.k. and france he said that they targeted not just to the military facilities but also to civilian infrastructure is world saying that this goes against in violation of all international norms and in fact it wasn't sanctioned by the u.n. security council has also said that it's pretext for the strikes the u.s. and its allies used a fake used a staged chemical attack he said that in a statement he said that he did not believe that the chemical it. let's cross to the russian foreign minister who's speaking live to senior members. let's teach gave the order i would like to remind everybody that this is exactly what they said a year ago or a little over a year ago when this same white helmets reported that. in province that sarin was used and. there's a well most of it was again incontrovertibly in our western partners immediately seized up on the z. rumors. published very dubious. as incontrovertibly d

u.n. charter moscow has also called for an emergency un security council president putin has issued a statement on the attack let's find out more about that now from our correspondent . who joins me in the studio ego wants has president putin said well first and foremost he has condemned in the strongest terms these strikes delivered by the united states and the u.k. and france he said the group of countries while the carried out the strikes they violated all international norms and the targeted and far more just military but civilian. as well so you also said. as pretext they used the stage chemical attack you made a point of saying that he does not believe you but he thinks that it was a fake a fake incident that the incident was a fake saying that when the russian military in fact and to the city of doom of the alleged site of the attack they couldn't find any traces of any chemical or nerve agents and they couldn't find in fact even any witnesses of those horrific events described by those making the accusations he's also condemned the u.s. the u.k. and france for ignoring the fact that the

u.n. charter the reason a lot of people are wary about independence as you know it's because they look at what's going on there already you look at the two main political parties your own kurdistan democratic party the k d p the patriotic union of kurdistan the p u k a lot of the critics of these two parties not just your party would say they failed to lay the groundwork for a stable government a stable political system a stable economy rule of law independent judiciary instead they've given your people a system plagued with corruption nepotism tribalism and that's why you know or maybe in the but this is not the right route for an area of well i would say that the achievements of the kurdistan region are significant if you look at where we were in one thousand nine hundred one when the no fly zone was first established over kurdistan in iraq we had just come out of one and a half decades of genocide by saddam hussein four and a half thousand villages were destroyed kurdistan was crushed economically politically militarily from one nine hundred ninety one to two thousand and three we had