a macintosh i mean i don't think she knows anything about hacking and she's just this kid at u.n.l. v. that was a. was a moderator in the chat and these are the people that the f.b.i. is taking down to combat this hacking is going on my question you said that cyber security has been a major failure and that this policy has been a disaster it's also been a big source of investments and we've seen a pentagon roll out a new strategy as we've seen cyber common last few years be built so is all of this essentially dead a waste of money because some of call this the new military industrial complex. well i think that they i don't know if it's a waste of money i don't know what productive things are being i mean. they're the they're the kinds of obvious things that the attacks by a. unanimous things usually are kind of loud and they're usually soft targets that aren't so important they think well the cia gets but it's just the website that's there for the public and i don't know that there's any evidence that they've ever actually go and attack that caused serious damage somewhere the thing