contractors sometimes have to borrow money to invest, that happens with the pfi at uclh.ate can borrow more cheaply than anybody else, that is a waste of money. fourth, we often see contracts given to companies who have known 11 track —— no relevean track record because their expertise is unimportant. finally, outsourcing often means workplaces where staff work for many different employers, so some employees will find it difficult to progress to other roles where they work, adding to the precariousness of a lot of already hard working lives. phil bentley is chief executive of the out sourcing company mighty, which holds many government contracts. this is his first interview since the collapse of carillion. thank you forjoining us. do you want carillion‘s public contracts? we don't have as many public contracts as carillion do with the government but we have some. i think the more important thing is, what can we do to help people who are worried about theirjobs today, the ha rd—working people at carillion? i think the government is doing the right thing to put a stop on it