the two of them were very active when ucsb began, which actually was not until 1960. they were very involved with the medical school and then eventually, and this was after ted guisele died. mrs. guisele has been very much involved with the university library hear. ted guisele was a student at dartmouth college in the 1920's thinking he would be a writer. majored in english literature. he happened to be very adept at drawing and did lots of drawings for the jack o. lantern, the darts moth numerous, year books, things like that. at that time he actually used his own name. he had -- he and some of his a little t of had run-in with the dean much because they drank a bit too much and he was banned from working on the paper and started using the name sues so he could get his little ca toones into the appearance. well, sues is really his middle name. theodore sues guisele and sues was his mother's maiden name. he became more and more interested in drawing and one of the wonderful things we have here in the collection is his notebook from oxford university and i think if you