the socialists came in second, and two newcomers , the podemosning udadanos took third and fourth. podemos was -- came as a surprise. more now on where they most came from and where it is headed. >> chanting yes we can, supporters of podemos had much to cheer about thursday night, coming in third in spain's legislative elections. they are now a ledge -- they are now a major political player. dark of a new political era against today and in the two-party system. anti-austerity movement marked the beginning of a transition our country, led by the people. having toppled spain's traditional two-party system, leader, pablos iglesias, has come very far, very fast. the party was founded in january 2014. it loomed on the spain's anti-austerity movement. five months later in may last year, 1.2 million spaniards group in the leftist european elections, electing five mp's. in this year's municipal elections, podemos' allies won the mayors offices of barcelona and madrid. politically, podemos is above all anti-austerity, anticorruption, and antiestablishment, campaigning hard to wipe out the w

and you have a new upstart business party called ci udadanos.that is unprecedented, so this is the most interesting and unpredictable election in decades. scarlet: it sounds like political convulsion in spain and it is surprising it is not happen earlier, given that unemployment peaked at 25% earlier, why did it take so long for things to get rolling? >> it is interesting. when the new antiestablishment party came out two years ago, i thought that these guys were really filling a gap in the market, because spain was really lacking this party, a party through which people could actually express this disillusionment with the political establishment. glance, thisrst group and the other looked like two very different parties. they are both part of this disillusionment and a big chunk of the spanish electorate with the old traditional establishment. joe: why has not spain seeing a rise of the populist party on the right like we have seen in other countries in europe? >> and exist because of historical reasons. the experience of a right-wing dictators