the udall give seem to be pushing the line a little bit more. >> the next three, may 6, 2009. the headline on this is "u.s. news: some pacs run after politicians drop out." you start out by telling the story about the late rep paul gilmore. explain. >> this is a fascinating area. the story i like writing about most is things that are legal but clearly should not be. this is entirely illegal. members of congress who have leadership pacs, a special political kitty that members of congress have, and how those lawmakers spend the money out of that fund. in these leadership pacs, a lawmaker can spend money however they want. you literally are allowed to pay your mortgage out of your leadership pac. what we found out is after members of congress retire, if they still have money in the leadership pacs, they carry them on as sort of a personal bank account as they move forward. we had a guy named paul deal more, republican from ohio, who died in september of that year. when he died, there was about $30,000 left in his leadership pac. as mr. gilmore was not around, received showed that

. >> senator, senator udall, is he here? i don't see him at this point. let me go to senator shaheen. >> thank you, mr. chrman. mr. secretary, i appreciate the efforts that you have taken and that you have talked about this morning to reform the culture of corruption that has existed within mms and recognize that this is a culture that has been created over a number of years that you inherited when you took over this job. about w reorganation concerned efforts will really address some of the corruption that exists there and the individuals who may have been part of that and whether it's reshuffling of the deck or whether it will really allow you to deal with that culture and get rid of the folks who have not been operating in a mannerhat they should be as they're lookingt what needs to be done to regulate this dustry so can you talk a little bit about how confident you are about the reorganization that you have underway? >> senator shaheen, let me -- it's a very good question. let me say our reorganization is not cosmetic. our reorganization is essentiall

senator, udall? >> thank you mr. chairman. thank you for that clarification about circ. i think everybody on the commmttee does fully support it. good morning to both of you. general, we all on the committee understand this is an important time in afghanistan. and i think it would be useful to be able to consider president karzai a reliable partner. it's sometimes hard to understand what he says versus what he does and vice verz sa. i had a couple of questions in that regard. how do you best explain what seemingly is his material personality, one day he talks about common causes with the taliban and then another day goes down to kandahar and pleads residents to cooperate in the upcoming fight. and then secondly, i had a chance to get to know minister atmar and had great respect for his talent and his vision. what do you think his departure might mean for the important, maybe even crucial, police training effort? >> thanks senar. on the first question i think there are a number of explanations, if you will. first of all, perhaps political leaders occasionay differentiate

senator, udall? >> thank you mr. chairman. thank you for that clarification about circ. i think everybody on the committee does fully support it. good morning to both of you. general, we all on the committee understand this is an important time in afghanistan. and i think it would be useful to be able to consider president karzai a reliable partner. it's sometimes hard to understand what he says versus what he does and vice verz sa. i had a couple of questions in that regard. how do you best explain what seemingly is his material personality, one day he talks about common causes with the taliban and then another day goes down to kandahar and pleads residents to cooperate in the upcoming ght. and then secondly, i had a chance to get to know minister atmar and had great respect for his talent and his vision. what do you think his departure might meannfor the important, maybe even crucial, police training effort? >> thanks senator. on the first question i think there are a number of explanations, if you will. first of all, perhaps political leaders occasionally differentiat

with industry, work with other stakeholders to develop that kind of requireme >> senator, senator udall here? i don't see him at this point. let me go to senator shaheen. >> thank you, mr. chairman. mr. secretary, i appreciate the efforts that you have taken and that you have talked about this morning to reform the culture of corruption that has exied within mms and recognize that this is a culture that has been created over a number of years that you inherited when you took over this job. reorganization o be concerned efforts will really address some of the corruption that exists there and the individuals who may have been part of that and whether it's reshuffling of the deck or whether it will really allow you to dea with that culture and get rid of the folks who have not been operating in a manner that they should be as they're looking at what needs to be done to regulate this industry so can you talk a little bit about how confident you are about the reorganization that you have underway? >> senator shaheen, let me -- it's a very good question. let me say our reorganization is not c

senator, udall? >> thank you mr. chairman. thank you for that clarification about circ. think everybody on the committee does fully support it. good morning to both of you. general, we all on the committee understand this is an important time in afghanistan. and i think it would be useful to be able to consider president karzai a reliable partner. it's sometimes hard to understand what he says versus what he does and vice verz sa. i had a couple of questions in that regard. how do you best explain what seemingly is his material personality, one day he talks about common causes with the taliban and then another day goes down to kandahar and pleads residents to cooperate in the upcoming fight. and then secondly, i had a chance to get to know minister atmar and had greatespect for his talent and his vision. what do you think his departure mighmean for the important, maybe even crucial, police training effort? >> thanks senator. on the first question i think there are a number of explanations, if you will. first of all, perhaps political leaders occasionally differentiate th