udall.ater, a conservative perspective on issues in the news. tomorrow on "washington journal," a preview on the new session of congress. and andrew biggs of the american enterprise institute. that is live at 7:00 a.m. eastern here on c-span. tomorrow on c-span, all six of the declared candidates for the republican national committee chairmanship will debate. the moderators will be grover norquist and tucker carlson. what live coverage at 1:00 p.m. eastern here on c-span. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2010] [captioning performed by national captioning institute] >> the supreme court airing today at 6:30 p.m. eastern on c- span. >> the interior department building was giving the name of former interior department's secretary stewart udall. speakers at the ceremony include the parent interior secretary ken salazar and severaludall -- and several udall family members. this is one hour and 30 minutes. >> the it is and gentlemen, please stand for the color guard and remained

udall: and i know, mr. president, the presiding officer, he has also been a part of this rules reform effort, and we very, very much appreciate that. it was mentioned here about senator byrd dndz and i think within of the most interesting stories about senator byrd, senator harass can i and senator health care reformly, in 1979 when he came to the floor, he was talking about shall -- and we've use this before -- the dead hantsdz of the past, not be ruled by the dead hand of the past. what was he real lee talking about? he was talking about the idea that one senate could establish in a set of rules and bind future senates and he gave a passionate speech, and we're in the situation that he talked about right now. he said, "now we are at the beginning of congress. this congress is not obliged to be bound by the dead hand of the past. take rule 32," which is -- it is a different-numbered rule today. but, for example, the second paragraph thereof which says that the rules of this senate shall continue from congr

udall: that's -- that's correct. so -- so what we're doing here today -- and senator merkley, i know you have introduced a freestanding proposal on the talking filibuster. we have joined together and i have also signed onto that. we have senate res. 10 which was filed on january 5 that has these five solid provisions for reforming the rules. i think if you look at these in history, if you look at these in history, they have had broad bipartisan support. i would at this point recognize that our colleague in this rules debate, our partner and hard worker, more senior and experienced on these rules matters has joined us, senator tom harkin from iowa. we're in a colloquy situation. mr. harkin: would you yield for an observation? mr. udall: you bet. the presiding officer: the senator from iowa. mr. harkin: i want to thank my friends, my colleagues, senator udall and senator merkley, for their great relationship on this issue. they have brought a breath of fresh air to the senate in exposing, i think, what has become a gri

udall tom -- tom udall for the attention so many had on this issue. senator merkley spoke on the topic that this may seem obscure to many constituents. this is historic progress that will make the senate function better. that's the mission of these outstanding senators. madam president, if i might, i'd like to ask unanimous consent that senator merkley can be listed as a cosponsor of the amendment that i'm offering today. the presiding officer: without objection. mr. udall: and, madam president, i will close on this note, i urge my colleagues to vote for this simple commonsense reform of the senate rules. madam president, i yield the floor. a senator: madam president? the presiding officer: the senator from iowa. mr. grassley: i rise to support the wyden-grassley-mccaskill public holds proposal. i apologize to my two colleagues from oregon and missouri that i was not on the floor at the proper time. it's all my fault. i'm pleased to see this day come to where the senate will finally have the opportunity for an up or down vote on our freestanding senat

udall: mr. president, before i speak on the matter today which the group of senators here so eloquently and powerfully outlining for all of, i want to acknowledge that the 111th congress was one of the most productive in history. legislation that we passed here will make real changes for american families who are struggling through a tough economy, as the presiding officer knows, and with rising health care costs. and what we did will also make our military and our nation safer and stronger. we should be proud of the work that we accomplished here in the previous congress 789 but i have to also say that the last two years were a time -- previous congress. but i have to also say that the last two years were a time of partisan conflict and frustration. and if you don't take my word for it, you don't have to go far to listen to many of the impartial observers of the congress who will tell you that was exactly the case. and i rise today to join my voice in a rising number of members of colorado and

>> i'm going to sit with tom udall and, hopefully, mark udall will be sitting where i usually sit. but this whole thing is a good idea. i think it's been a bit overblown, but the fact is, it's a good thing to do. why not? the udalls, for example, have been close friends to me and their family for many, many years. so, let's sit together. finally, could i just mention, it might be nice to cut back a little bit on all the jumping up and down, which i think frankly distracts from any president's speech when it's interrupted every 30 seconds by people jumping up and down, because the president isn't speaking to congress, he's speaking to the american people. >> schieffer: that's interesting that you should bring that up. because one house republican, paul brown of georgia, says this whole thing is a trap. he said what president obama is trying to do is just to keep the republicans from leaping up and making noise. >> well, in all due respect, i kind of thought we were there to get a message from the president. i frankly think the cheerleading side of it has... detracts from the ability

senator udall, what is wrong with filibusters now that needs to be fixed? >> well, jim, i think the first place to start is what's wrong with the senate. and what worries me the most is last year we didn't do a budget. we didn't do a single appropriations bill. we did only one authorization so we're not doing the oversight of the agencies themselves. 400 bills were sent over from the house of representatives on many important subjects. we didn't deal with them at all. and all of that was the result, i believe, of kind of a constant filibuster. >> lehrer: do you agree with that? >> no, i don't agree with that, jim. here's what happens. senator reed, the majority leader, brings up the health care law. i go down and say i'd like to amend it. more than the last six majority leaders put together he says no, lamar, you can't. i object. he calls that a filibuster. i call that keeping me from doing what i was elected to do which is to amend and debate and to try to achieve a consensus on important issues facing our country. so the party of no are the democrats who

udall: thank you, madam chair. madam khaeurbgs i would ask for another two minutes and also recognizing on the republican side to wrap up here. the presiding officer: is there objection? without objection, two minutes. mr. udall: thank you, madam president. efforts to reform the motion to proceed have continued since, and in 1984 a bipartisan study group on senate practices and procedures recommended placing a two-hour limit on debate of a motion to proceed. that recommendation was ignored. a joint committee of organization of the congress in 1993 made this same recommendation, and my predecessor, senator domenici, a longtime republican here, who senator alexander knows supported that. the third provision in the resolution included is based on the comments of the republicans at last year's rules committee. each time democrats complained about filibusters on motion to proceeds, republicans responded it was their own recourse because the majority leader fills the amendment tree and prevents them from offering amendme

udall: thank you, madam chair. madam khaeurbgs i would ask for another two minutes and also recognizing on the republican side to wrap up here. the presiding officer: is there objection? without objection, two minutes. mr. udall: thank you, madam president. efforts to reform the motion to proceed have continued since, and in 1984 a bipartisan study group on senate practices and procedures recommended placing a two-hour limit on debate of a motion to proceed. that recommendation was ignored. a joint committee of organization of the congress in 1993 made this same recommendation, and my predecessor, senator domenici, a longtime republican here, who senator alexander knows supported that. the third provision in the resolution included is based on the comments of the republicans at last year's rules committee. each time democrats complained about filibusters on motion to proceeds, republicans responded it was their own recourse because the majority leader fills the amendment tree and prevents them from offering amendme

udall: thank you, madam president. and -- and i -- i want to thank all the senators who have come down on this debate and these are just a couple of cleanup house keeping things that i'm doing. first of all, the charge was made that we're trying to make the senate like the house and rather than get in a long debate there, i would just ask unanimous consent to put federalist paper 62 and a letter from a number of scholars that testified before the rules committee. i ask unanimous consent to put those in the record. the presiding officer: without objection, they'll be included in the record. mr. udall: and i have also -- have a full statement on this particular issue and others have a full statement that answers that specific charge, the senate and the house, and i ask that full statement be put in the record as if read at this point. the presiding officer: without objection, the statement will be included in the record. mr. udall: and then there was also the -- to the first -- to the first u.c. with the federalist paper

but they decided at the suggestion of senator come udall, democrat, to... mark udall. tom is the guy who is working to fix the filibusters and mark udall his cousin is the man who suggested this... that everybody sit with another member of his or her party. there is secretary sebelius. secretary donovan. helping me all evening are shields and gerson that's sind i caned columnist mark shields and "washington post" columnist michael gerson. there we just saw the supreme court. a quick shot of the supreme court. i haven't had a chance to count them. have either of you, michael or mark, there are supposed to be six present. ahead of time they said there would be six. the three who are not here are justice alito, justice scalia and justice thomas. but i see justice roberts, chief justice roberts is here. everybody who was watching the last time. it wasn't at the state of the union. it was at the joint session of congress where president obama addressed a joint session of congress for health care reform. he made a comment, the president did, about the supreme court decision

my cousin mark udall from colorado is involved with that. the motion to proceed, the agreement to proceed and filling the tree, that is a significant step in behavior to say let's change our behavior, and then the fact that we're going to have votes today, later today, on senate resolution 10, on the senator merkley's talk on the filibuster and senator harkin's proposal. these are significant votes to be taking and significant steps forward, but i have to tell you that i -- and that's what i wanted to focus and for you and i to talk about senator merkley. i strongly disagree with one thing announced here with the idea that the two leaders are taking off the table thus utilizing our constitutional rights. that was what announced, and i think we both heard it the same way. leader mcconnell and leader reid both said they are not going to rely on a majority vote for rules in the future no matter who is in power and what's happening. well, the beauty of the constitution, and i think we all realize this spending some time with it, is that that doe

it punishes politicians who get too far in one direction a lot of times and i think senator udall isprobably feeling pretty proud of himself today for how much attention that moved got and how talked about it is. i feel like i'm hearing more about people where people sat during the state of the union than what was said during the state of the union. and our delegation certainly sat together and have been very happy to talk about having that hour together on the floor. >> ifill: let's talk about some of the things that were said during the state of the union, megan. there was a lot of talk, for instance, about education and your other senator actually, because he used to be the superintendent of schools in denver has been very involved with this as well. were people talking about this that? was there interest in what the president had to say on that subject? >> absolutely. i mean, first there was a lot of pride that one of denver's real turnaround schools, bruce randolph, got a direct mention in the speech and it's no accident that senator michael bennett was superintendent of the sch

use of the filibuster by you stopped short of endorsing the one proposal out there by senator tom udall to revamp the rules of the senate. i wonder if you're planning on signing on to the proposal and when you think is the landscape for achieving the reform on january 24th. >> it's quick to be very strong. i do support that 3 >> it's quick to be very strong. i do support that proposal for the basics of the proposal. i think we want to protect the rights of the minority, the founding fathers envisioned in the constitution and i think it is critical to do it. what goes around, comes around, and clearly having been on the minority i understand that power. but we have to find a way to guarantee that as i said, it is being used not as a day to day tactic that has no accountability but that it is being used in a way that in cages the nation in a legitimate debate about something substantive, and as long as that takes place, i think it is a fair place to have that kind of fiscal if you will to try to find the way to get the 60 votes. today you don't have to do that, you don't even have to talk

>> well, it was a bipartisan watch party put on by somebody who's a supporter of mark udall, actually he went from bipartisan seating to bipartisan watch parties, which i thought was interesting. and what i heard from people affiliated with both parties was a real wariness. they all said "we know this president is a good speaker, we expect to hear a real good speech. but we're going to wait and see what comes of it." even afterwards, the democrats who watched it were excited, they were sort of talking over some of the ideas, but there was this underlying skepticism of a million electric cars? can that really happen? high-speed rail? 80% of the population? is that really getting here? and you just heard this real wariness, even among people who support the president, of talks fine, gave a good speech, we're going to wait and see what you do with it. and for the republicans watching i think there was an even stronger level of skepticism. yeah, sounded good. >> ifill: did they watch it together? >> they actually didn't. the party ended up segregating itself. the democrats were down in th

the idea offered by senator mark udall a colorado democrat has proposed dozens of pairings including senators john thune of south dakota and kirsten gillibrand of new york and in the house majority whip kevin mccarthy of california and his democratic counterpart steny hoyer of maryland. udall said he hopes the gesture would prove to the american people that their elected officials can work together. >> i'm an old mountaineer. i think the aisle that divides us has become as high as a mountain. and it's time to climb that mountain and look out upon america altogether. >> reporter: the idea to jettison the traditional seating arrangements gained momentum in the aftermath of the tucson shootings. on capitol hill today, black-and-white ribbons were being handed out to members of the house and senate in remembrance of the victims. >> thank you so much. >> reporter: among first lady michelle obama's guests tonight will be the parents of nine-year-old christina taylor greene who was killed in the attack, daniel hernandez, the intern who came to the aid of the congress wam after she was shot,

senator udall spend a lot of time on this and senator udallkl spend 15 years. senator merkley's to be a speaker and we have talked a number of times. i greatly respect his work in as a statement of fact that he has seen the senate for a long period of time. i am taking very seriously everything that is said here.t i am just worried about turning this senate into the house. we have the majority organization over there. they can repeal the health care law c or get rid of the secret ballot union election. i if you turn this place into tha, then you just go bam, bam and it is done. at the senate is for us to say whoa, whoa. let's see if we can get a consensus before we do anything. wendy k. consensus we not only get a better bill g usually. the country accepts a better.e they like to see us co-operate.i a financial regulation bill where we have all got something in it. they feel better about it. a is does the checks and balances which is the genius of ourroun system.er i am committed to trying and i think of my friends for thef amount of time and effort they. have

senator udall has mentioned that this is symbolic gesture and some might say well, why do you need to focus on the symbolism of it? it is a symbolic gesture. but why not start with a symbolic gesture? why not start off this new 112th congress with a gesture, an effort to try to come together? if even just for a couple hours as we show not only respect for the elected leader of our nation when he comes to address us in this joint session but respect to the institution. and as senator udall has mentioned, oftentimes at the state of the union it becomes more a situation where the attention is not focused on the president's words but who is standing up, who is sitting down, who is sitting there with their arms across their chest. who is engaged in the theatrics. that's not what the state of the union should be about. so let's come together for an hour or two, and if for nothing else, sit together with a colleague that perhaps we don't know as well, and be part of a process that i think is good for all of us. it's interesting because when senator udall first mentioned this to me, i said to

but they decided at the suggestion of senator come udall, democrat, to... mark udall. tom is the guy who is working to fix the filibusters and mark udall his cousin is the man who suggested this... that everybody sit with another member of his or her party. there is secretary sebelius. secretary donovan. helping me all evening are shields and gerson that's sind i caned columnist mark shields and "washington post" columnist michael gerson. there we just saw the supreme court. a quick shot of the supreme court. i haven't had a chance to count them. have either of you, michael or mark, there are supposed to be six present. ahead of time they said there would be six. the three who are not here are justice alito, justice scalia and justice thomas. but i see justice roberts, chief justice roberts is here. everybody who was watching the last time. it wasn't at the state of the union. it was at the joint session of congress where president obama addressed a joint session of congress for health care reform. he made a comment, the president did, about the supreme court decision

tucson shooters, one senator is proposing that lawmakers sit together during the upcoming -- mark udall proposed with gesture of bipartisanship. no word yet on whether lens lay tors will follow his lead. >> 30-year-old gabe zimmerman worked as an aide to representative gifford. more than $5,000 has been donated. the school hopes to raise 10 times that amount for a new endowment. >>> another vigil in the bay area for the victims of the tucson tragedy, scheduled for 7:00 at the first often tearian church. >> arrests and now a possible motive in a bay area murder that happened a year ago. four suspected gang members are now in custody for the killing of 24-year-old duey tucker, a musician that played bass with entertainer lauren hill. the suspects mistook tucker for a rival gang member. >> i just want to say this is, obviously, a very bittersweet day. it has been a long year. >> now, we have some kind of closure because we know somewhat of why he died and was taken from us. >> a 159-year-old is accused of pulling the trigger in the tucker case. he was arrested for a murder in santa rosa ov

tom udall will then most likely make a motion to change the rules. they will be ruled on by the chair. it was like this hole showdown will be delayed by another two weeks because of some wrangling among senate democrats on exactly what the changes should be. although even the postponement is not official yet. it is something being negotiated in discuss right now. >> alexander bolton of the hill, we thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me. good afternoon everybody. my honor today to introduce our key note speaker, senator lamar alexander from tennessee. it occurred to me that we could have titled today's event, why can't the senate be more like the house, because that is what we are going to talk about, both senator alexander and the panel that will follow. there is a pposal that will come before the senate the next few days or weeks that could change one senate rule, fundamentally change the nature of that body. in a way that was probably never intended by our fouers. debate that goes to the essence of what the founders envisiod when the

which is what senator tom udall refers to it as. these issues are separate and related. together, the amount to the same thing. that is an incredible, astonishing, but not unexpected power grab by the remaining majority in the senate right now. i cannot imagine that anyone thought the lessons of the last election was that the voters wanted a stronger democratic majority in the senate. but that is what this is. from a basic democracy, look at that and ask yourself, is that in any way what the voters were looking for? is this in keeping with what the voters wanted? the sad part is, is consistent with the way that this majority has operated over the last year or two. you can go back and the most astonishing thing for us all was when senator scott brown was elected and we thought that now the state had elected him to the senate. thsis would put some brakes on health care reform and instead it encouraged democrats. i am sure will do a good job of discussing the particular data that shows the filling of the tree and the words that do not mean a thing to people would not follow

senator udall spent a lot of time on this. senators wyden and grassley have spent 15 years. senator merkley used to be a speaker. he has talked to me. we have talked a number of times. i greatly respect his work in his state and the fact that he has seen the senate for a long period of time. i am taking very seriously everything that's said here. i'm just -- i'm just worried about turning the senate into the house. we have a majoritarian organization over there. they can repeal the health care law or get rid of the secret ballot and union elections. if you turn this place into that, you will just go bam, bam, and it's done. what the senate is for is to say whoa, whoa, let's -- let's see if we can get a consensus before we do anything, and when we get a consensus, we not only get a better bill usually, the country accepts it better. they like to see us cooperating. they like to see us coming up with a tax bill or a treaty or whatever, a civil rights bill or a health care bill or financial regulation bill where we have all got something in it. they feel better about that. it's

wou >> by the president, at this point under udall would be thee, next speaker. speak there would be a republican who, was the next and i'm very, hopeful that that will be bee senator grassley because he and i have been partners for almostn 14 years in the effort to force the united states senate to do d public business and public and get rid of the secret holes. bea so after senator udall, theressy would be senator crass way.leag after somebody grassley, there would be my friend and colleague, senator merkley withn the paired at that time, there would be a republican who wouldt be next in the?o to speak. and so my unanimous consent request, not a president is at that point i would like to be able for up to 30 minutes to have the bipartisan sponsors of the effort to get rid of secret, holes once and for all,presiden upcluding the distinguished president from missouri to havey up to on this bipartisan effort to. reiminate secret hold. the >> are there any time limit on a the motion for any senators other than the 30 minutes designated for the cosponsors of the leg

chris: senator mark udall of colorado has suggested that at least for the state of the union, which is coming up on the 25th, i believe that, the members instead of sitting on one side of the aisle or the other, the public should be able to see them all intermingled in a random seating fashion. >> first of all, there's no rule that says that republicans have to sit on one side and democrat have to sit on the other side. you know, this isn't an orthodox temple with men and women on one side. chris: try breaking that rule. >> this one is a little easier, and this one is just go and sit where you want to sit, and i think people will do that. and -- >> exactly. >> but the question is going to be interesting to see the applause, because it always becomes kind of a sporting event to a certain degree. so it's going to be interesting to see. >> it's a lot more awkward when the person next to you is cheering lustly and you're kinds of grimacing and scowling. chris: let me suggest something. when you get on an elevator, if you stands facing away from the door, people think you're crazy. we have

udall, and my dear friend from oregon, mr. merkley, for being understanding. we had some word changes. you know, we're all tied up on words and so

>> that's mark udall frp utah. it's pushed bit group, the third way.nd right off the bat, the leaders, like steny hoyer, the whip, were very cool to this and then members on both sides said it's a good idea. we had in some of the primaries, bob bennett, and lisa murkowski with the write-in but they got bounced off the ticket in the republican primary process largely because they were seen as not rigid enough, too willing to talk or cooperate with democrats. when conservative republicans from the house see that, what list -- lessen -- lesson are they going to snake as silly -- silly as it sounds, i'm not you are sure of them want to be seen signature next to them. >> but also even before the shootings shall the new speaker, john boehner, had attempted to set a more civil tone for the house of representatives and clearly in the wake of the election also will -- losses, president obama had gone back more to let us work together, let us try to come together. so there were some seeds planted before tucson by two important leaders that in the wake of tucson

i think mark udall's bringing people together, it made me a little less willing to be part of the herd jumping up on my side to cheer each time if i'm sitting with somebody from the other party. i noticed, you know, john kerry sitting john mccain. patty murray the chairman of the democratic senate campaign committee of washington sitting with jon corn inthe republican chairman from the campaign committee from texas. there's a little less willingness to do it. i think maybe it took a little bit of the, what we come to expect, the pep rally aspect of it, of the speech. >> it was a little lower energy level. but as a former speech writer, it puts more emphasis on the words themselves instead of the up-and-down of the emotions of the chamber. i don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. i think.... >> lehrer: people were listening to it. >> exactly. the president is very good at explaining. explaining how our economy has changed. explaining why we need to do research and development, explaining... and he brings the listener along in a logical way. i think it's one of his real skills. i th

on the issue of unity, democratic senator mark udall of colorado is proposing democrats sit next to republicans at the state of the union address january 25 instead of in two separate sections. tonight, at least three other senators, all democrats, say they're in favor of it. the tragedy in tucson has many asking a familiar question: did warning signs go ignored? in this country, 45 million adults are diagnosed as mentally ill, 11 million of those cases are considered serious. but all too often, people who need psychiatric help don't get it. they fall through the cracks. and tonight, we put that issue in focus. ( sirens ) >> oftentimes when we have tragedies like this people were say, "there were no warning signs." >> he shot at people, and gabrielle giffords was shot. >> well, in the case of jared lee loughner, there were plenty of warning signs. loughner would laugh to himself at inappropriate times and clench his fists and make faces just out of nowhere. >> couric: it's still unclear how big a role mental illness played in jared loughner's shooting rampage. >> when you look back on it now yo

democratic senator mark udall of colorado is proposing that democratic and republican lawmakers sit sideside instead of in separate sections in a gesture of good will. meanwhile, members of congress are looking at ways to bolster their own security. one republican representative says firearms on the floor may be the answer. joel brown reports. >> reporter: we walked the halls of congress with a lawmaker who wants to bring gun rights back to the capitol. >> in the early days of congress, they had weapons on the floor. guns, canes. >> reporter: texas republican louie gohmert is writing a bill to allow members of congress to carry guns in washington, even on the house floor. >> hey, we have no security detail and we're not asking for one. we're not a bunch of weaklings. >> reporter: since the shooting that left gabrielle giffords fighting for her life, democrats have been pushing to tighten gun laws. >> at a minimum i believe we must promptly restore the expired federal ban on extended magazine clips. i personally would urge us also to re-enact the 1994 ban on assault weapons. >> reporter:

. >> reporter: new mexico senator tom udall wants to change the rules that he says has brought the senaterinding halt. >> it's very hard to actually make a difference on something unless you change those rules. >> wild horses aren't going to drag me off this floor. >> reporter: this is what we think a filibuster looks like. jimmy stewart's mr. smith going to washington to stand and fight against a majority. or in the 1950s and '60s, trying to stop majorities from passing a civil rights law. >> we expect to keep talking until the bill is defeated. >> reporter: strom thurman holds the record for the longest filibuster, 24 hours plus, and he was part of the record 57-day effort-- unsuccessful-- to block the 1964 civil rights act. in the last two years, both parties began using this tactic more and more often and in the last session republicans used the filibuster against virtually every controversial bill and nomination and some that weren't controversial at all. >> filibusters were applied or threatened to almost every routine piece of legislation and vast numbers of nominees. so the proces

it was the tucson attack that led senator mark udall of colorado-- a democrat-- to propose that the parties mix it up. >> look, this is one evening, it's a few hours, but the symbolism here is important. >> reporter: on substance they remain deeply divided. house republicans voted today to slash spending to 2008 levels. and tonight the president's address will be followed by not one but two republican responses. the official one from house budget committee chairman paul ryan, then a follow-up from minnesota's michele bachmann representing the tea party wing. >> mr. speaker, i'm looking to find out what will be the specific cuts that the president will be proposing. we haven't heard specific cuts so far. >> reporter: republican leaders say publicly that miss bachmann has every right to deliver her owned a dress but they worry it sends the message that there are two distinct factions in the g.o.p. katie? >> couric: nancy cordes. nancy, thank you very much. in an earlier life, senior political correspondent jeff greenfield was a political speech writer. he has some thoughts now on the challeng

udall says the image you present helps culture change. that is not just talk. he will put is derrier where his mouth is. "i will sit with joe wilson." no lie. with 16 members endorsing the plan, we can start to think about potential parings. nancy pelosi with representative alan west, who tried to hire as his chief of staff a woman who pelosi called "garbage." or we can look at kevin brady and tom price, both of whom have called for tim geithner's resignation. attorney general eric holder would be joined by representative darrell issa, who is called obama's "one of the most corrupt administrations" in history. our guest on "newsmakers" is catherines a bid -- kathleen sebelius. she spoke about the impact of health care law will have. >> since the house has chosen to do this as their first order of business rather than work on jobs and the economy, which the american public said, clearly, is their number one priority, it does present an opportunity for us to, again, remind people what the new house leadership and house member majority is voting to take away. the

where is this coming from seven >> well, tom udall, a democratic senator from new mexico. he's the leader. he's been the most outspoken on this. but there are several democrats working with him including tom harkin, a democrat from iowa, jeff merkley, a democrat from oregon. and amy klobuchar, a democrat from minnesota. >> is there any discussion of compromise on the rules? >> there's some talk of compromise. one thing that republicans want is a concession from majority leader harry reid that he'll stop the practice known as filling the tree. it's a procedural tactic that blocks republicans or members of the minority party and the majority party, too, from offering amendments to legislation that reid doesn't want to hold votes on. >> how will this be brought up when the senate gavels? . >> it was long expected it would happen the first day of legislation. it appears, though, the senate democrats have some disagreements over what should be in the new rules package. so it seems like what they're going to do is -- they're going to recess the senate at some point tomorrow and