for 2.5 years, the udat said we favor two buildings. they then said we strongly favor two buildings, and all of that was swept aside. i've submitted those materials. it's exhibit two through four of the udat recommendations. udat even went so far as to draw a plan and submit it to the developers and say look, here's how the two-building project will work. you get the same number of units, more size units, and it's more code compliant than what you're proposing. there's no analysis at all about the urban design guidelines, and this project grossly violates every single one of the design elements of that new passed law. that's exhibit six that i submitted. please take a look at that. >> thank you, mr. williams, your time is up. >> thank you. we ask for your support. >> president hillis: thank you. any additional public comment on this item? seeing none, we'll close public comment. thank you all, and open it up to commissioner comments and questions. maybe i can start by asking mr. winslow to just give us a little history of kind of the pl

. >> we do try to push -- udat is one function of the department that looks at things with a specific eye towards urban design. that's not the only thing that goes into a project. you know, i mentioned there is a pragmatic sense. even those feasibility is not in our code, we do have to take it into account in a general sense. either there is a project that we want and support ultimately, although it may not be perfect, then we have to make that decision. >> commissioner richards: i think it would be more comfortable from a feasibility point of view if you knew it was much less feasible. i know there's a finger in the wind, here's this, here's that. if you really want to take feasibility, and we want to get a project built here. there's no question about it. we want to get a good project, i would rather see something rather than them telling me. >> well, commissioners, just keep in mind, this is part of how we have to work with applicants. there does have to be a certain amount of trust built up with the applicant, especially over a course of time. as david mentioned, david and udat, w