the other is i look at a country like uganda.and i think at what point -- here you have a situation where you have the initial -- the initial signs of what you call an eliminationism. and nothing is going to happen until it moves to the next step or the next step and then even nothing will happen. so -- and the same question applies. there are too many other interests that will prevent a european nation, a nato, a united states and obama from going in and saying, okay, let's put a bounty. and how do you get around that? and i think journalists in many cases have fallen by the wayside. >> the question is about the strategic and other interests that exist in the world that prevent the united states and the europeans, canada, other countries of good will so to speak from doing anything to stop or prevent the killing. and the speaker specifically pointed to china being a player in the whole sudanese complex. and to uganda where there is a low level eliminationist assault that takes place which hasn't quite escalated to the levels tha

-- northern uganda.have been there several times, a place called gulu. there are many kids who survived him and are up there now in hospitals. his way of doing things is to go into villages and abduct children, young children, teach them -- i'm talking about 11, 12, 13-year-old children -- teach them to be soldiers. ak-47's, the whole thing. then they have to go back to their villages. and murder their parents and all their siblings, their brothers and sisters. if they don't do that, they cut their ears off, cut their noses off, cut their lips off, as we can see right here. here are these young little guys. that little boy there is about 10 years old with an ak-47. the area, the tribes back in that part of africa, the hutus and tutsis have been fighting forever. we are all familiar with the genocide that took place in rwanda and the millions of people who had lost their lives, the torturing that went on, the the -- the things that have happened that just are mind-boggling, and yet all the time that was h

there's millions of christians in uganda and rwanda and sudan.these tend to be more conservative on some of these issues-- much more conservative, especially on the issue of homosexuality. and where their place is in the international christian family is very much up for grabs in this particular debate. >> indeed, christianity is growing. i think it's a great shock for people to realize that there are many more anglicans in africa than there are episcopalians in the united states. >> there's twice as many anglicans in sudan as there are in thunited states-- just one big country in africa. i don't think we're anywhere near catching up with what this means, not only on social issues but on doctrine, worship life, and all the rest. what's it going to mean, not very long from now, that christianity is essentially an african religion and not a western one, not a north american or european one? >> you're seeing that, to some degree, in the debate about global warming. i do think the environment is another area where we're going to see continuing activi

we've been involved with the developing clean water resources in uganda where the war they had there for 20 years close out of the water resources they had there. and i was trying to see what's your experience at the ngos and others developing water wells and some of the conflict of the areas to aid the people who are adversely harmed by the conflicts and partnering with other ignored stations that could develop resources to avoid future conflicts. >> okay, thank you. other questions? >> thank you for the wonderful presentation. two points and maybe folks would like to reflect on but don't feel obliged to. one i guess would he though we flag the value or potential value of the interdependence around water and sanitation that we have for cross communities, families, countries and try to explore it proactively the prospect for cooperation that might flow from the interdependence to help solve larger conflicts with the water and sanitation issue maybe not a problem or not the focus of the problem or not without the conflict started. so i'm thinking for example and he's going to be in to

. >> you spoke about the situation in uganda. will you please talk to us a little bit more about how the united states can protect the rights of lgbt people in those areas where their rights are not respected? >> yes. first, let me say that, over this past year, we have elevated into our human rights dialogue and a public statements a very clear message about protecting the rights of the lgbt community worldwide. we are particularly concerned about some of the specific cases that have come to our attention around the world. there have been no organized efforts to kill and maim gays and lesbians in some countries that we have spoken out about and also conveyed are very strong concerns about to their governments, not that they were governmentally implemented or even that the government was aware of them, but that the government's need to pay much greater attention to the kinds of abuses we have seen in iraq, for example. we're deeply concerned about some of the stories coming out of iran. in large measure and reaction, we think, in

should stop funding to uganda and the bill becomes law as some of the countries of origin.if the law passes in uganda, will the administration continue to send foreign aid to countries that sanction the murder of people who are day? >> i will check on prospectively in the event that something like that passes. i would say that, that that type of, that type of legislation would certainly not live up to any record of universal rights and universal values, that i think anybody would say in this country. >> two questions. the first is, yesterday the president spoke about the need to move beyond partisanship to citizenship. this morning from our new york city mayor, rudy giuliani criticized the white house for two things. one was the closure of gitmo and the decision to put this detained terrorist in the criminal justice system. is that fair criticism? is that partisanship or grant citizenship to? >> i would say if one looks at what mayor giuliani says after testifying in the criminal u.s. criminal trial of zachariah miceli, calling it, i forget the fact phrase, but holding up t

face, but also because as she always does she reminded us of the individual woman in the village in ugandaor in the a small slum in another city in africa or central america, that one woman's story that has really been one of the things that has propelled her to the support and to do the work that she's doing in which we all always have to remember is at the core of what we are doing. but she always, also reminded us that this leadership she has given is driven also by principles and by long-held convictions that she has been articulating for, now, decades. and so i want to, i want to just express my gratitude for having her be able to provide that kind of leadership as we sit here not only celebrate, but look forward which is what she is asking us to do. and i think i probably, i'm speaking for all of you, and it's really a joy to be able to say this, but isn't it incredible to have a secretary of state of the united states to stand here and say that women and girls are front and center to the foreign policy and the the foreign assistance of this country? [applause] .. and do it with the

-- if this passes in uganda? >> in the event that someone like that passes, -- that something like that passes, that type of legislation would certainly not live up to any record of universal values that i think anyone would see in this country. >> first, the president spoke about yesterday the road to citizenship. this morning america guiliani -- mayor guiliani talked about partisanship. >> if one looks at what mayor guiliani says after testifying in the u.s. criminal trial calling it, i forget the exact phrase, but holding up the stellar record and value system involved in our criminal justice system, i do not think mr. giuliani has the record straight in his comments. i think if you watch that interview there were a number of things that did not quite seem to drop to jog to the better part of reality. he mentioned that there were not any domestic air attacks in the previous administration. that was interesting that the mayor of new york had forgotten that. >> you have now renominated johnson, not don johnson.

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