ralph: that magic item that we find, , it's, uh-h-uh, we gotot. richard: this is what's called a magic pipe. that is a term of art that somehow has arisen in the industry. and i think the reason originally, at least i've been told, is because the oil magically disappears.. in any criminal enterprise, somebody who's breaking the law is doing math. it's a calculation, rigight. chance'm going to get caught, cnce i'm not going to get caught. people are still making the calculation that this crime is sometimes wortrth it. in environmental crimes cases, we don't have to prove motive. don't have to prove why somebody did it. but it is what every juror r and every judge e wantso know. ralph:h: from my experience,e, the motivation out there to pump oil in the water comes from greed.d. james: it's always about moneye. follow the money. richard: the united states is the only country that has a whistleblower award. on a ship, it's a small space, and people know what's taking place in that space. "fabrication of pipe connected to overboard as per instruction o