hacking into cell phone messages is illegal in the uk. the scandal that the "news of the world" had been systematical systematically eavesdropping on people for years had been swirling around westminster, with some telling politicians that it was the work of a rogue reporter. >> i believe he was the only person. >> reporter: but there was a lingering suspicion that former editors like rebecca brooks work remains chief executive of the parent company, must have sanctioned the hacking. something she always denied. she's a close friend with prime minister david cameron, and an awkward fact, but that didn't stop him from saying this this government is making sure the fact that the public, murder victims, terror victims who had their phones hacked is disgraceful. >> reporter: one thing that went wrong for the prime minister was the decision to hire this man as communications guru, andy coulson is a former news of the world editor who lost his job at number 10 and may now be facing criminal charges. this man's son died in a terrorist attack and

while news corp endures an ever widening crisis here in the uk, suspension that the company targeting americans is gaining momentum. the fbi has opened an investigation into an unsourced report in one british tabloid that "news of the world "account attempted to hack the phones of 9/11 victims. news international, the subsidiary in the uk, tells nbc news they have seen no evidence to support the claim. but with brooks gone and a full-blown investigation on going in the uk that involves a former prime minister and the royals, among others, some experts believe investigators in the u.s. will hold off for now. >> the u.s. is not going to want to be seen as trying to trump the british. the britts are going to be the ones who investigate this. it's really their interest at stake. >> reporter: james murdoch wrote a letter to staff as well outlining what news international has done so far to try to fix this problem. he mentioned the resignation of rebecca brooks, the backing out of the deal as well as the closing of the "news of the world" newspaper. he went on to say that news international

well, les henson was the head of news international in the uk from 1995 through 2007. the current head of news international also resigned today, rebecca brooks. she worked under henton when illegal phone hacking took place. the most damaging accusations over the years, the one that triggered this crisis led rupert murdock to an unlikely meeting here. rupert murdock met with millie dowler's family, the young girl whose phone was hacked by reporters. when the meeting ended, murdock was greeted outside by cat calls. he was ushered inside but wouldn't stay there long. >> as founder of the company i was appalled and i will find out when it happened. and i apologize. >> reporter: earlier in the tied today, the head of news international, rebecca brooks resigned. in a letter to her staff who wrote, this is now detracted attention from all our honest endeavors to fix the problems of the past. those endeavors began this week with shutting down the news of the world and then news corps backed out of a multimillion dollar merger with bskyb. brook's resignation today will be foll

as opposed to have been flat footed perhaps in their response in the uk, the news corp. management, rupert murdoch, are ready, it would appear here in the u.s., to respond. >> david faber from cnbc joining us here in new york tonight. david, thank you. >>> casey anthony whose murder trial captivated the country is a free woman tonight. she was released from a florida jail just after midnight. less than two weeks after being found not guilty of killing her 2-year-old daughter. and the angry scene that greeted her outside the jail this morning has many wondering just what kind of life she now faces. nbc's kristen dahlgren is in orlando with the latest. kristen? >> reporter: good evening, lester. casey anthony is out of jail, but maybe in a new kind of prison now. tonight she is in hiding with no job, little money and plenty of public hatred directed her way. casey anthony in her first moments of freedom. her mouth set. her eyes focused. with a quick thank you to an officer and her attorney, jose baez, at her side, she made a beeline for the door. >> i'm assuming that jose

you have $200 million coming from the uk. not a game changer but whether this spills over into the other businesses that rupert murdoch owns. the next division, u.s. broadcast networks, they have about 37% penetration into u.s. house holds, this represents 9% of the bottom line, $409 million they have, tv stations scattered throughout the united states, again, does it spill over because of reputation? right now analysts we spoke to on wall street say not just yet, last division here, sky italia here, scott mockridge, it represents 4% of the operation, not a game changer but feeds in. bskyb would have brought in 15% of earnings per share in 2012 if the deal would have gone through, been held off for 12 to 18 months and it may not happen at all. you take a step back from all the numbers i hoad you, $636 million loss, about 14% of the overall group in overhead and huge loss taken because of myspace.com. the big foray into the internet space, sold it for 10% of the overall purchase price. a dent to the news corp operation, can th

murdoch uhis son james and rebecca brooke, ceo of news international, the uk unit face questioning in parliament. >> susie: this raises questions about succession. rupert murdoch has always talked about having one or all of his kids running the company. james, has been the heir apparent. what is the future of the murdoch dynasty? >> it's probably in jeopardy right now. the outcry against the murdochs in the uk has not really begun to penetrate the situation in the market here. but independent directors of news corp may be looking at that whole question of succession, and the murdoch dynasty. certainly the market has been downgrading over the years news corp because of the nepatistick approach bringing his three kids into the company. that has depressed the share price and market value of news corp. it's very likely that there may be somebody other than a murdoch running the company in the future. >> susie: let's talk a little. we were talking to a big institutional shareholder who is very concern body the outlook for this stock. would you buy news corp at $16. is this an opportunity f

you've had tensions with the uk over the lockerbie bombing in the past. have you received assurances of full cooperation. >> i haven't had a chance to see a response to my letter to mr. cameron, just sent out today. i suspect we're in common cause for this. we want to make sure the citizens are preserved and the victims of september 11th where there were british citizens as well as u.s. citizens who lost their lives. >> mr. murdoch gave an interview to "the wall street journal," a newspaper he partly owns. we have a reputation of great good works in this country referring there to the uk. does that sit right with you? we have a reputation of great good works? >> well, of everything i've read, john, the "news of the world," the invasion of privacy of the british prime minister about his son's illness, the royal family, crime victims, a young child. that isn't in my mind real journalism, that isn't great good works, that isn't how you go about selling nups. >> we'll keep in touch as this one goes forward. if there are leads to follow just how would an inves

>> well, the media is very powerful in the uk. the media is powerful everywhere. one.ngs that i think any sensible investigation of this has got to look at and try to do it dispassionately because the politicians have their point of view, media has their point of view. always going to be an uneasy relationship between the two, never mind back in the uk, but what is important is to realize that in a world of 24-hour a day seven-day media with all of the new technology and with the huge competitiveness there is in the british media, people are desperate to get their stories and -- and, you know, get ahead of the competition. unless you have some sort of framework within which people agree to operate and everyone acknowledges that and abides by, it then you do get a pretty ugly situation. >> but you saw some of the ugliness -- you saw some of the ugliness, and i guess the question is did you investigation what was going on? >> look, one of the -- one of the strange things about this is if all of this had happened, you no, all of this information had comout and people have

the prime minister's term to take the hot seat in the uk hacking scandal. david cameron minutes away from a show down. >>> two major proposals in the trillion dollar showdown over the nations debt. the first is called a possible break through. the second plan is under attack by democrats. all this next on "american morning". >>> thanks for being with us, it's wednesday, july 20th, this "american morning". i'm kiran chetry. >> i'm ali velshi. do we have a lot going on today. british prime minister david cameron is about to get grilled by parliament. the newscorp phone hacking hearing begins in 30 minutes. cameron is expected to face tough questions about what some are calling a cozy relationship with rupert murdoch's media empire. >> go to used of parliament this morning. fireworks yesterday. the consensus, though, is david cameron is not likely to lose his job over this but that he's under enormous pressure right now. >> reporter: he's definitely is. he's got a lot to defend himself today. basically, this is a special day in parliament. they were supposed t

development in the uk phone-hacking scandal.any other uk newspapers. >>> space shuttle "atlantis" lands this morning ending nasa's 30-year program. nasa saying the spacecraft has fired the imagination of a generation and vowing it will not stop america from exploring further. >>> more than 30 states under heat wachings, warnings or advisories. triple digit temperatures expected to last through saturday. officials say the heat may be to blame for at least 22 deaths. department of homeland security issuing a new terror warning. oil refineries or chemicals or nuclear facilities could be al qaeda targets now. >>> instead of seeing through your clothes, new body scans will show the generic yooutline. they say it will better protect passenger privacy and maintaining security standards. >>> president obama says he is hopeful they will be able to reach an agreement before the august 2nd deadline. >>> stock futures turned higher in the past hour. right now trading higher ahead of the opening bell boosted by strong earnings reports this m

i think that's come as quite a shock to people in the uk.f course, we knew that there are as we say in england bent coppers. i think that the sense that people have of this gross incompetence as well as some kind ofvilleny on the part of scotland yard. of course we don't know how many. we don't know how deep. there's some, we're sure that some of them were bribed by the murdoch newspapers here. i think this is a shock to the system here. it will take some time to absorb that. >> briefly, when the foreign corrupt practices act is involved and you've got the murdoch empire headquartered in the states, is there any possibility with these bribes have been been allegedly paid that there could be legal implications here as the fbi is now investigating? >> well, i'd have to have american legal qualifications to answer that. but it's certainly true that more of the business in the murdoch empire is done in the united states than it is here. and some of this is going to cross the atlantic ocean. how serious that will be is difficult for me to say. >>

for our uk chief executive it's all about growing the brand. time now for "the boss." >> reporter: previously on "the boss," rethinking her customer. sarah curran raises the bar as he looks to target the male customer. >> if i take a decision, it's something i completely believe it's the right thing to do. it's not just a whimsical risk. >> in macau, a boss with plenty of confidence. >> i'm an invasion their purpose where i see the long-time future of the company. >> did you see one of those? >> the pressure is mounting for our new boss, francis liu. trainings his butlers. as the vice chairman of the company, he expects high standards. he knows in this industry it's all about the details. >> one of the major things that you want to concentrate on? >> what i'm concentrating on really is making sure the grooming is absolutely top because that's what people are expecting from butlers. >> i expect i will be the rah rah person to make sure all our staff is pumped up, all our staff is getting ready for the big opening day. i think a lot of us are ver

the next question in the uk there will be efforts to regulate the news and in the u.s.estions about gross holdings of a lot of media. and i think it would be a shame to see more regulation come in here as the editor of "the guardian" said and they dogged this story better than anyone. last week was the worst of journalism in the form of murdoch but also the best in the form that "the guardian" brought this to fore and brought down murdoch. >> what will happen on tuesday when he speaks and his son james speaks in front of parliament when they testify and do you think rebekah brooks rebekah brooks will be there as well? >> rebekah brooks might be there. she will take the british ekwa va lent of the fifth. murdoches will find themselves very hot under the collar with tough questioning and they should well be expect that to be happening. >> okay. great. thank you very much. listen we have a bit of developing news. we hear rebekah brooks rebekah brooks now has been released. she's bailed out. just getting the information now. reuters is reporting it. police are confirming to

and uk properties are less than 10 cents of share of value. so they are really not that significant. all of the growth has been in newer media cable networks now over 50% of the company's operating income, and there is tremendous growth in satellite assets like star tv in india and sky tire, sky deutscheland, bskyb. it's still relatively underpenetrated, a growth engine and a free cash flow machine. >> the price of news corp crashing the past two weeks, is it now cheap? are the shares now undervalued, given the scale of this crisis? >> yes, news corp has lost over $8 billion of value since the crisis erupted in the last few weeks. and we can account with the decline in bskyb share price, and even just saying they give away the uk newspapers which obviously wouldn't happen. they could sell it or spin it, but that's maybe $2 billion of the whole decline. so $6 billion is more emotional, more worry about the unknowns, but i think at some point when we get through this, as long as u.s. assets aren't touched and pulled down with the scandal. uk-con

clearly, "news of the world" in the uk went out of control, and the lesson learned here is that mr. rupert murdoch, james murdoch, and the management and board of directors there, they have to have more stringent rules and regulations. they have to tighten the boss a lot more internally, and they have to have independent commoditied to manage the process. i believe this is in motion already. there are lessons to be learned there. thanks god that news world represents only 1%, as mr. rupert murdoch said in the latest hearings, of the c conglomerate which is news corp., and it has been shut down. hopefully, this thing will not affect other entities that belong to news corp. >> you were very supportive after the parliamentary hearings of both rupert and james murdoch's testimony. there are questions tonight about some of that testimony, the former editor of "news of the world" and the legal manager have both claimed that james murdoch misled parliament in relation to some of the things he was saying. do james and rupert both retain your full support? >> i went public by supporting mr.

by the way, in about an hour from now, the uk prime minister david minister, he's expected to speak in front of parliament hoping to stop further damage to the government from this scandal. so to get some of the latest on the investigation and a preview of what will happen in today's speech, martin flesher joins us live from london. there is an emergency session of parliament today, this has brought david cameron back into the country to be able to speak before the people there. what do we expect to hear? >> that's right, today's highlight, every day brings some dramatic development. today the star there will be david cameron. he actually called for the emergency session. he cut short a trip to africa to try to take control of this. he'll face a grilling, though. the key questions will be very significant questions for him. why did he hire a former news of the world editor despite warnings, how much did he know about the phone hacking investigation, when did he know it, and also whether anyone had any role into the phone hooking. he also faced questions about how many times he met murd

we ended up driving to tia juana with our family in order to return to the uk. we then had only five months to verify. we flew back to the u.k. for the interview which cost about $6,000, rather than processing in the u.s. embassies were rude to me and my bike in the process. -- wife in the process. we were a small company but had been in the u.s. for eight years, and had one of our best years. they seemed unaware of general business and tax accounting practices. however, my wife developeafter h the officer, the visa was approved. afton and there was finger wagging saying that you need to come up was something better than two years' time currently, there is no resolution for these types of green card holders. we will have to constantly trouble in the new at the will of immigration authorities. so how does this affect families? it affects our ability to run a business with unpredictable but times. it makes you unproductive and therefore unproductive thanks to the huge amounts of repetitive information required. processing fees which are a burden to the families in

and uk theater companies and is the recipient of the allen wright award for arts journalism, the sundance institute arts fellowship and the nea fellowship of journalism. in 2006, she received a best columnist nomination at the annual san francisco media excellence awards and her first book on acting was published by farber and farber in the uk and farber, inc., in the united states. let's welcome phillip and chloe >> hi there, phillip. >> hi, chloe >> so, this play, it's been quite a journey. we're talking 3 1/2 years, maybe nearly 50 different drafts and 5 workshops? . >> five workshops, yes. >> so, looking back at the journey, how has it been for you and has it come out as you expected it would? . >> what's interesting is if you work on a play this long, normally there are times that it becomes redundant and you get a little bored with the piece. it's only natural. it's pushing 4 years now. this one was interesting in that it never got boring or ever felt redundant and each thing that we did over these almost 4 years, whether it was going off to sundance or to writer's retreat they have

also another arrest was made in the uk newspaper scandal. why did a london police chief quit his job today? and carmageddon is over. without incident. will there be a sequel? >> i'm rob mayeda. we managed sunshine in san francisco. we couldn't manage the july-like warm temperatures. take a look what's happening on the coast. we've got showers approaching ukiah and eureka. man: everybody knows you should save for retirement, but what happens when you're about to retire? woman: how do you go from saving to spending? fidelity helped us get to this point, and now we're talking about what comes next. man: we worked together to create a plan to help our money last. woman: so we can have the kind of retirement we want. now, you know how this works. just stay on the line. oh, yeah. fidelity investments. turn here. >> casey anthony is in hiding tonight after being released prom prison after midnight. it was 12 days ago she was acquitted of the murder of her daughter. kristen dahlgren has the latest. >> reporter: after almost three years it took a mer

now, another one of the big stories that's been dominating the headlines in the uk and also the united states with a final headline that read "thank you and good-bye," the n""news of te world"" is no more and it's on the editor of rebecca brooks on the right with rupert murdoch on the left. she could be questioned by police today. les hinton told investigators in 2007 that the firm hiking was limited to one reporter. news internation nal said that that conclusion was based on an examination of 2,500 e-mails. but the shocking resch lagss continued to pile up and i suppose the rest is history and now media mogul rupert murdoch has flown no to take part in what is just a mench. he's trying to save the takeover of his british sky broadcasting known as b sky b. it does have the backing of news corps. despite that monday's independence says the deal appears, quote, dead in the water, pauline. >> well, charles, let's take a look at how all of this has affected the stock. it's dented news corps shares. it was one of the worst performing stocks on the sydney today, down 5.1%. at the close on th

reaches far beyond the uk. his company was started in australia in 1962 as news limited. he controls about 70% of australian daily newspapers. this professor is ahead of journalism at the university of technology in sydney and joins me on the line now. thank you for joining us. i want to begin by calls and your country to launch an inquiry to murdoch in australia. t think there may be evidence there that there could be malpractices taking place, too? >> it is possible but it is different here today. it is not as harry tested as the tabloids. the politicians are still really scared of rupert murdoch. the greens have nothing to lose because the australians announced in the editorial that they would destroy the greens in the political course. >> the greens are calling for this parliamentary inquiry there is a political element because they have the majority in the upper house. >> they do, but they have to get the labor party to support them. many labor governments have done to every deals with rupert murdoch here in australia to advance their short-term political interests a

rebekah brooks, former head of rupert murdoch's newspaper arm here in the uk who resigned herself on friday. it was just a week ago that murdoch flew to london and stood by her side, all smiles. brooks had a immediate otheric rise at the condition, becoming editor of "news of the world" when she was only 32. neil sean worked for another murdoch newspaper, "the sun". >> she rose to the top through sheer ambition, networking and an ability to do the job. >> reporter: in 2002 with brooks at the paper's helm that "news of the world" reporters allegedly hacked the phone of murdered teenager milly dowlor, a case that shocked and infuriated this country. brooks denies any knowledge of phone hacking and has apologized. for the last decade, the editor has rubbed elbows with the rich and famous and the powerful. she has had close personal relationships with the three most recent prime ministers. as recently as last december, david cameron met twice with brooks in visits his office describes as social. cameron has come under fire for his connections to murdoch's news international. his former s

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as the scandal has rolled along, it's never affected the paper in the uk. if this now starts to affect the number of who buy the paper, then it will have very serious consequences and mean rebecca brooks, who is her prime child in the uk may eventually be forced out. >> it seems to me there's a fair amount of -- i don't know if complicitly is the right word, but the attention, there's allegations now news of the world was bribing police officials. there was a kind of conspiracy of silence around this practice. how far is this going to sort of -- how many people are going to end up being tainted by this, do you think? >> so, we have reports coming out overnight here that there are five journalists facing arrests in the coming days over this whole affair, so it could go high up. rebecca brooks is an incredibly senior person. not inconceivable she could end up being arrested herself. there was an m.p. today who said that james murdoch himself, rupert murdoch's son, should face some kind of legal ramification over this, so there's a sense this has gone far too

now uk legislators say news international deliberately tried to thwart a police probe into phone hacking. >> it's all over for yao ming as the most successful chinese player in the nba, calling it quits. >>> apple strikes another rally in the tech sector after another blow-out quarter. >>> media mogul rupert murdoch and his son faced certain questions from uk legislators. now the phone hacking saga rolls on with a new parliamentary report saying murdoch's news international, quote, deliberately tried to obstruct a police investigation into the now defunct "news of the world". in the meantime, prime minister david cameron is getting ready to make an emergency statement on this crisis after flying back early from a trade trip to south africa. >>> many of us here in hong kong watched that testimony and we stayed up pretty late to watch it. rupert murdoch denied any knowledge of phone hacking at the "news of the world," but it was his son james who actually did most of the talking, intervening when his father seemed at a loss for words. it was murdoch's wife wendy who intervened in a very di

notes that china's number one creditor with $1.2 trillion followed by japan with $912 billion and the uk with $346 billion. let's huddle around the water cooler and get to some of our strange exchanges of yesterday's strange day of debt dealing on capitol hill. we begin with congressman paul ryan, republican star of wisconsin, proposing -- he's talking about the an surdy of things we're talking about and also what he calls gimmicks on the democratic side, he says it's fuzzy math. throws out something else. >> i've got a better idea. let's pass a bill to cover the moon with yogurt that will cost $5 trillion today. and then let's pass a bill the next day to cancel that bill. we can save $5 trillion. wait, i got a better idea. our debt is $14 trillion. let's come up with a new plan to spend $14 trillion, then rescind it the next day and let's save $14 trillion. >> that's something we can all get behind, covering the moon yogurt. i'm in. republican mike kelly of pennsylvania, he played football for notre dame. he was trying to fire up the troops yesterday among house republicans reaching bac

>> at the moment it's still contained in the uk. the census is it could spill over only, and i say only, in the allegations -- and the allegations are and the fbi is investigating, whether the company hacked the phones of 9/11 victims. there's a view that if that was truly the case it would change the game. the fcc could pull their television licenses, advertisers could pull their money. viewers could turn away and just the way they have, frankly, in the uk. until we get to that point it's probably contained to the london world. >> a devil's advocate question. a lot of people and some of the on-air analysts were watching and asking over and over, how could he not have known? but if you're the producer of a fox show "american idol," "family guy" if you were asked you would answer, we don't hear from rupert murdoch. he doesn't meddle in our business. he's a hands-off manager. why isn't that answer sufficient today? >> because rupert murdoch is a newspaperman. he loves the news. he loves dialling into his editors and giving them tips a

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a top executive testified before parliament today in the phone hacking scandal that has rocked the uk. >>> no mercy. unrelenting heat smothers more than half of the country, and refuses to budge. >>> and homeward bound. the "atlantis" departs from the international space station for the "atlantis" departs from the international space station for the final time. captioning funded by cbs >>> good morning, everybody, thanks for joining us, i'm betty nguyen. the british parliament gets its shot at rupert murdoch this morning. murdoch, his son james, and murdoch's former chief newspaper executive testified before a parliamentary committee this morning about the phone hacking scandal. a member of murdoch's board of directors is denying reports that the directors are considering replacing murdoch. but bloomberg news reports murdoch's future could depend on this morning's testimony. charlie d'agata is in london with the latest on this. good morning, charlie. >> good morning to you, betty. i think we can expect some high drama later this afternoon. some fireworks. the fact is, a lot of people

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hacking scandal and rupert murdoch's testimony in the uk.year-old media mogul endured a three-hour drilling by british lawmakers, testified he had no idea his staff at "news of the world" hacked phones and bribed police. one thing is certain, this scandal is captivating tv audiences around the world and now the murdochs may be up for round two this time with authorities here in the u.s. christa is back with us joined by richard quest, host of "quest means business." richard, the british have been wrapped up in this story for weeks over there. when do you think the focus really jumps to the u.s.? >> the moment that there is evidence that there was wrong doing or some way in which it's brought in. i'll give you an example. the actor, jude law, the question of whether his voice mail was hacked into while he was in the united states. the question of whether from this country to the united states, a call was made that intercepted a voice mail somewhere en route. the moment you end up with that, then suddenly it's open season in the u.s. federal s

do we believe he may have been liaisoning with some anti-multicultural cell in the uk?urse, the english defense league which is based in the uk and notorious for the position against the multiculturalism and frankly racist political positions. >> and in fact, the leader was arrested and found guilty of violent assault at a football game. >> well, they are neofascists and nothing better than that and now that breivik is saying that there are two other cells, is he saying this for effect? saying it for publicity? or saying it because there are in fact other individuals out there? and to be honest, it does not matter, because if we think of this logically, there are other people in europe who believe these things. >> indeed. >> and other people who are going to be moved to acts of violence. >> the norwegian government does not have much experience in dealing with this kind of individual. he was suggesting or implying he had collaborators and how much of a weakness is the security system in norway? >> well, look, norway is a small country. it is very peaceful. this is a pol