interest if ukraine is seeking economic convergence european union cannot really. afford the association agreement and what it involves but at the same time and the short term it appears the russian deal whatever because we don't really have the details it's probably more suitable for economic and political needs of the current ukrainian government ok we'll talk about the future and leave this point exactly a little bit later marc if i can go to you i want to ask you a question that nobody in western media wants to touch really because it doesn't suit their their agenda but the party of regions at the end of the summer all the way to the president was pushing for this to happen this is you know cold which is party and almost no one wants to say well the party of regions is run by a group of oligarchy they don't want to reform the economy and they just want to get in bed with the e.u. so they can clean their money and clean up their reputations because they're not so interested in integrating with russia is well another note you never really come across in western m

interest if ukraine is seeking economic convergence european union cannot really. afford the association agreement and what it involves but at the same time and the short term it appears the russian deal whatever peace because we don't really have the details is probably more suitable for economic and political needs of the current ukrainian government ok we'll talk about the future and leave this point exactly a little bit later marc if i can go to you i want to ask you a question that nobody in western media wants to touch really because it doesn't suit their their agenda but the party of regions at the end of the summer all the way to the president was pushing for this to happen this is you know cold which is party and almost no one wants to say well the party of regions is run by a group of oligarchy they don't want to reform the economy and they just want to get in bed with the e.u. so they can clean their money and clean up their reputations because they're not so interested in integrating with russia is well another note you never really come across in weste

ukraine scraps preparations for a trade agreement with the. parliament rejects the bill which was one of europe's main. controversial demands for u.s. soldiers to remain in afghanistan a wrangled over at a key gathering of tribal elders. the. major concerns. peaceful. twenty four hours a day. ukraine has decided to hold preparations for trade agreements with the e.u. it comes after the country's parliament rejected a bill which would have allowed the jailed former prime minister yulia timoshenko to receive medical treatment abroad. he has more tricky relations between brussels . it is a sharp turn around for ukraine's aspirations to sign the e.u.'s association deal next week in vilnius now the ukrainian government says that it has suspended all preparations for signing this document during the eastern partnership summit mostly as the statement from the government says to nullify any potential economic threats to ukrainian economy if this association deal is to be signed basically this means that ukrainian government believes that the economy i

the problem is that ukraine is in dire economic straits ukraine is that say three to six months from these are. just downgraded by moody's again and kept on negative rate watch which meant that they were soon going to be in in the in the sea they cannot raise money in the markets they're running a deficit they're having a lot of trouble keeping the parents of stable so the problem is the european union offers a lot of words offers a lot of you know lots of thousands millions of pages of documentation where they don't offer is what new ukraine deeds and that's money. and just ok and that money though clearly here's a country that is virtually bankrupt surely the european union doesn't want to start bailing out a new member would be crazy for the for ukraine to join and that wouldn't that's absolutely the point. the thing is that ukraine is not vital to the east it's part of a geopolitical chess game. and they'd like to take that piece but they're not going to spend a lot of money or they can't they've got portugal they've got greece pretty soon they've got france and they've got to th

the real deep deep troubles that are occurring in ukraine and how ukraine is trying to get itself out of a really nasty fix i want to point out to our viewers here that the i.m.f. is knocking on the door if they don't do certain things are not going to get any more money there's hardly any money left in the bank and they have a lot of foreign reserve debts to pay in the first quarter of next year it's dire straits in ukraine and in brussels as blaming moscow go ahead john i think you put the question peter in exactly the right way. this whole issue is being talked about in cold water but in fact ukraine's real interests are being completely neglected i've had occasion to say this now in several other interviews people have asked me whether ukraine has an interest in joining the e.u. and my reply has always been that from the u.s. point of view the only interest is in the political defeat that ukrainian signature would inflict on russia in other words the e.u. does not have ukraine's interests at heart what it has at heart is a geopolitical program of ideological and geopolitical stren

hello and welcome to crossfire all things considered i'm peter lavelle ukraine a country divided its government's decision not to pursue integration with the european union and opt for russia instead as western politicians and media in an uproar brussels feel snubbed while moscow has a wait and see approach as ukrainian politics is anything but stable the so-called struggle for ukraine is far from over. to cross-talk ukraine i'm joined by my guest live would give or give in london she is a senior economist at i.h.s. global insight in paris we have john laughlin he is the director of studies at the institute of democracy and cooperation and in moscow we cross to mark sloboda he is a senior lecturer and researcher at moscow state university all right folks cross talk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want john if i can go to you first all of this media coverage of this for the past week it's the tussle between the european union and russia for control of ukraine it's put very much in cold war terms here but very few people want to focus on the real deep deep troubl

interest if ukraine is seeking economic convergence european union cannot really. afford the association agreement and what it involves but at the same time and the short term it appears the russian deal would have a piece because we don't really have the details it's probably more suitable for good economic and political needs of the current ukrainian government ok we'll talk about the future and leave this point exactly a little bit later marc if i can go to you i want to ask you a question that nobody in western media wants to touch really because it doesn't suit their their agenda but the party of regions at the end of the summer all the way to the president was pushing for this to happen this is you know cold which is party and almost no one wants to say well the party of regions is run by a group of oligarchy they don't want to reform the economy and they just want to get in bed with the e.u. so they can clean their money and clean up their reputations because they're not so interested in integrating with russia is well another note you never really come acro

reporting from kiev in ukraine. protesters say ukraine's leadership ruined hopes for a better future by rejecting the e.u. deal but the government says they were economic dangerous to making a case to agreement kiev says it will review the deal next share his pulse caught takes a look at what went wrong this time. in. a moment of un paralleled access to the ukrainian president viktor young a cold which comes face to face with e.u. leaders for the first time since stalling on an historic trade deal the whole thing caught on camera. i. think. it's clear that kiev decision to hold proceedings has rankled e.u. leaders following years of negotiations the e.u. senses outside influence we have to set aside short term political calculations. and we may not give in to external pressure not the least from russia. says the financial deal on offer isn't large enough to prevent damage to ukraine's flailing economy of course neither ukrainian businesses nor the government have this amount of money or will have any time soon that'

reporting from kiev in ukraine. are i then and who is a blackmailing who president of lied to me period has addressed and i gave shows that russia forced ukraine into a u.-turn of its integration plans with the. content of has been listening to what the russian leader had to say so hi there lucy claims and counterclaims was indeed did putin have to say that. certainly a war of words here in st petersburg now we're actually here to cover the high level economic meeting between turkey and russia the turkish prime minister erdogan is here meeting with president putin they had a joint press conference where the ukraine issued actually did come up in one of the questions mr putin was actually asked about allegations that came out in reports earlier on friday suggesting that the ukrainian president had spoken to his counterpart his lithuanian counterpart in a phone call in a which he brought a moscow pressure on the ukraine to scrap plans for participation in this trade pact here's a mr putin responded to a question about

and ukraine without each other. e.u. doesn't need the ukraine really i mean the e.u. is close to bankruptcy itself a lot of the country the e.u. are bankrupt or very close to it and you think the e.u. will be concentrating on trying to save for france in portugal italy and spain but it is they want to expand to right the west of the e.u. fanatics to sit there in brussels or london to say ukraine should join he signed his trade but he thinks he impractical to do the disaster for the ukrainian people it would be gas prices going up here prices going up unemployment going up. and so i think you have a choice. ukraine refusing to sign trade and association agreement with the year live now to patrick young he is a writer and financial adviser and he joins me now live from poland mr patrick young welcome to r.c.s. great to talk to you as always so the european council president has called the deal the most ambitious offer ever to nonmember state maybe ukraine or should have taken a more long term perspective here well i think it's very interesting because of course i mean p

in ukraine so stable and on. the european union. at the center in the philly on their part in all of these issues the things they did they lose track of something to be overestimate their chances i'm thinking now is they see this play at. it's the only sane than any city or peanuts it was always the kind of a political move to sydney and tracy's kind she said this is studying in the middle the middle somewhere. an ac say that by not answering some of the christmas it's to be honest i still dun understand some of the things that not the same way interesting i don't know is that in the recent incident in an analysis they came back and since these fears that the many uses and i can do with it. don and i think that would've been a bad year steadied see in the face of russian goalie much non existant i made it into an argument that saying we had known and unknown in the midst of a crier. oh yes it's that adding whatever that could've been. you can keep your ration market and it's not this is germany doesn't read this

ukraine's stalling of signing an e.u. association agreement here in vilnius threatens to turn this summit into somewhat of a damp squid kiev cozying up to the eight was meant to be the highlight of the two days here. has been keen to stress that the deal can be signed any time and that the latest development is just a postponement and not a council ation a move seen by some as a winner for all concerned find them vital breathing space they're very uncomfortable with the idea of ukraine coming into the e.u. the e.u. right now is used by crook would lead the crisis in the pigs countries portugal italy and greece and so far they don't have money to do anything asked if you're crane the only thing they can do is try to take advantage of the weakness of ukraine so i don't i don't think the e.u. as a whole is usually written gotama from the financial implications of such an agreement may have even been misjudged by the e.u. with the president of the european parliament martin schulz saying the e.u. may have underestimated the d

reporting from kiev in ukraine. who's blackmailing president vladimir putin is address recent allegations that russia forced ukraine into the u. turn. in petersburg and she's been listening to what the russian leader had to say turkish prime minister erdogan is here meeting with president putin they had a joint press conference where the ukraine issued actually did come up in one of the questions mr putin was actually asked about allegations that came out in reports earlier on friday suggesting that the ukrainian president had spoken to his counterpart his lithuanian counterpart in a phone call in a which he brought moscow pressure on the ukraine to scrap plans for participation in this trade pact here's a mr putin responded to a question about that let's take a listen. i don't know what the ukrainian president was talking about with his lithuanian counterpart maybe we should ask our american friends about it but so far they haven't told us anything now he was of course joking but what he was referencing there is th

because ukraine becomes a part of a free trade zone with the e.u. and the russia still has an open border with ukraine and then you know the goods the merchandise from the e.u. will be sold all the way. you know devastating the russian industry without a new customs duty for the russian budget so it became clear to me that his losses would amount to about eight million dollars before their end of this year he made it clear to the u.s. officials they didn't listen to him instead they just demanded more time with their ukraine really is a steamer and that was you know the straw that broke the back of the camel the deal was suspended dimitri of brussels is saying that it's very disappointed with kiev for doing this last hour u. turn does that sound sincere to you considering what you just said that they were offering ukraine very little in the first place. well it's very interesting that the process of sun washington are usually very concerned about ukrainian soldier in kiev. ukraine has some kind of a problem with russia but they make such statements

reporting from kiev in ukraine. where not he's been gathering expert analysis on how kiev could benefit from signing potential trade pacts and here's what we've heard the opportunity to be part of an absolutely huge free trade zone it's a fantastic idea but the problem we really have is that already the european union model has been deeply compromised by the addition of countries that weren't ready such as belgariad and rumania the european union itself really has to concentrate on its own internal economic problems to say that this is a. unexpected totally unexpected move is very strange because of course you can quest to balance and see whether it's interesting as well. as for example the european union to dictate to greece. or to perth to grow into other countries and as i stated to you and friends and millions of people losing their jobs. i think that it became clear to the ukrainian president that if you signed their deal he is not going to get anything financially the e.u. so basically office things which are

ought to change its game really and stop this pressure ukraine allow you ukraine to make its own decision in its own time its blackmail its bully and its wrong journalist and broadcaster neil clark joining us live here on r.t. international thank you very much for your time today. thanks roy bye well it's good to have you with us here in ukraine though has cited as we were discussing the economic difficulties as the main reason for rejecting the european deal some experts estimate it will cost up to one hundred billion dollars to implement the required e.u. regulations and standards ukraine's former finance minister. says there's no way for kiev to meet brussels to. its just of course neither the ukrainian businesses nor the government have this amount of money or will have any time soon that's why ukraine is not ready to take responsibilities is not capable of fulfilling. and the people of ellen his guests debating ukraine's rejected edu bid and just how attractive indeed it was attractive the deal was for kiev in the first place that's in today's edition of crosstalk. the fact is the eu

ukraine has suspended work towards a free trade deal with the e.u. the country's parliament voted against a draw that would have let the jailed former prime minister yulia timoshenko get medical treatment abroad and europe had demanded her release as a prerequisite for further integration. looks at kiev's decision. two months ago it was talented as a done deal on thursday ukraine's government all but completely ruled out that an association agreement with the e.u. would be signed next week instead regarding trade ties with russia and c.i.s. was made the priority. some stage of ascending to the top in this order is unfavorable. the one hundred eighty degree turnaround comes after months of openly voiced concerns that ukraine's economy would simply collapse if it forms a free trade zone with the e.u. which in turn promised no compensations on potential losses you think it is a lucky escape really because i think that this deal was bad news for the ukraine it would be like somebody today go back in time to nine hundred twelve buying a ticket for the tit

and ukraine to discuss potential. compensations of those damages and risks to the cranium economy and how these things could be avoided we understand at the moment that the e.u. have is hasn't promised any kind of compensation to ukraine the m.d.i. in the next seven years is. or to be expected at the level of round one really you agree your and brain is estimated to be losing more than three billion euros a year if it severs it straight dies with russia so this is basically the only option for ukraine or was dressed to me how did they avoid those losses because essentially we understand that do you still looking to sign the association deal in the future only with those there were just three great are going to be alexei thank you for the day to the right i really appreciate it go in size and have a cover to get warm today the south stream will begin broad channel to serbia and they do two point four billion dollars construction is now underway for the natural gas pipeline to run under the black sea to bulgaria and hun

it is cause for ukraine to this site. tickets to the bean soup wouldn't hold discussions with the copics i would say is that the european union still gets old. georgette called to the top selling potential but it's the association of treatments that but it's not the non ukraine's the state sanctioned deal its decision not to sign was to be criticized but that he charts tenth to queueing at each of the eu presidency. it's not about to get up to be disciplined. i think that that today's print edition don't think that way which is going nowhere because knowing challenge any chance of a deal that operate its ukrainian protested outside the venue desperately cold for a change of heart. yet i cut it to sunday night's battle. they are inky at thousands of ukrainians continued to protest against the government's decision to hold off on signing a deal with the eu. with some keeping around the clock vigil. as endemic with its claims he cannot afford to attend his back on the sky for the protest is with robin to the plants. mike is

ukraine scraps preparations for a trade agreement with the e.u. after its parliament rejects a bill which was one of europe's main conditions for the deal. raiding afghan homes and immunity from local laws the controversial demands for u.s. soldiers to remain in afghanistan are wrangled over at a key gathering of tribal elders. plans to launch its own drone program trigger major concerns with activists warning they'll be no guarantee they'll be used for peaceful purposes. live from our studio center in moscow this is r.t. with the twenty four hours a day ukraine has decided to hold preparations for a trade agreement with the e.u. it comes off of the country's parliament rejected a bill which would have allowed the jailed former prime minister yulia timoshenko to receive medical treatment abroad. ski has more on the tricky relations between kiev and brussels. it is a sharp turn around for ukraine's aspirations to sign the e.u.'s association deal next week in vilnius now the korean government says that it has suspended all preparations for signing t

reporting from kiev in ukraine protests to say ukraine's leadership ruined hopes for a better future by rejecting this e.u. deal but the government says there were economic dangers to making a hasty agreement scott takes a look at what went wrong. it's. a moment of on power allowed access the ukrainian president viktor yushchenko vich comes face to face with a huge lead as for the first time since stalling on an historic trade deal the whole thing caught on camera i think it was hard for us to our bit. to see. if it is us i. it's clear that kiev decision to hold proceedings has rankled a huge lead as following years of negotiations the e.u. senses outside influence we have to set aside short and political calculations. and we may not give in to external pressure not the least from russia. which says the financial deal on offer isn't large enough to prevent damage to ukraine's flailing economy of course neither ukrainian businesses nor the government have this amount of money or will have any time soon that's why ukraine is not ready to take responsibilities is not capable of fulfilli

ukraine association deal so to find out more of what's behind kiev's u. turn it on line to walk the dog. thanks for joining us here in r.t. international news just in thousands of protesters in thailand to force their way into the royal army headquarters crowd stormed the compound reportedly demanding they want to know whose side the army is on meanwhile hundreds of people seeking to prime minister yingluck shinawatra gathered outside the building of her ruling party in just the last few days protesting crowds of besieged several ministerial buildings and cut the power at the police headquarters of the mounting violence has sparked fears of a possible military coup. i did so shift gears now to egypt we go where a student demonstrator has been killed as cairo university becomes the latest battleground of anti-government protests against a brutal police crackdown. you know the pictures are basically speak for themselves officers clashing with youths tear gas used to disperse the crowds who were chanting down with military rule the protesters fury was fueled

ukraine's decision not to push for closer association with the e.u. could turn out to be a blessing for those european countries there was going to have to be some two hundred thousand pieces of regulation that would have had to be changed to allow ukraine to fit into this new partnership all of which will have to are being paid for by the european countries now these pieces of regulation range from quite big issues right down to things like the type of screws used on road signs and the gauge of railway tracks and those are things that really european countries can't afford to be paying for right now we're seeing eighty four million people on the brink of poverty across the european union this is according to euro star the european union's own statistics organization youth unemployment is endemic across most of europe all of these things are leading europeans here in berlin to tell me that well europe should look to put its own financial problems correct before it starts taking on the debts of others. so it's not the e.u. already has plenty of problem

reporting from kiev in ukraine. and back to you later now what tells dominated the margins of the meeting between adeline and place him there in st petersburg. hi there well of course the focus is economic and energy cooperation the two countries have very strong ties and that's you know this is really the annual meeting where they get to set the agenda for that on the sidelines of course syria was the main topic the main issue that we in the present been waiting for comments on the two countries basically reiterated previous. that they've stated before they've essentially agreed to disagree prime minister erdogan blamed more than one hundred fifty thousand deaths in the syrian conflict on the regime of president saddam whereas mr putin had raised the issue of a radical islamist militias that operate in the country blaming the violence on those groups another issue that actually came up we're hearing reports basically that mr putin had asked the vice on how to deal with the european union everyone had reportedly ans

doesn't need the ukraine really i mean the e.u. is is close to bankruptcy itself a lot of the country the bankrupt or very close to it and you think the e.u. will be concentrating on trying to solve the problems of its products in portugal italy and spain but it is it wants to expand it's all right for western the e.u. fanatics to sit there in brussels or london to say ukraine should join the e.u. should sign this trade deal putting things in it in practical terms will be a disaster for the ukrainian people it will be gas prices going up the prices going up unemployment going up industrialisation so i think going to have a choice. and further analysis of ukraine's rejects is easier bed and just how attractive the deal was in the first place as up for debate in cross talk later this hour. the fact is the european union doesn't have money to hand out ukraine needs an awful lot of money and everyone knows that the european union and its member states are broke they have debt up to the eyeballs and they can't afford to pay their own bi

ukraine's current preparations for trade agreement with the eu offered to parliament rejects the bill which was one of europe's main conditions for the deal. making afghan rooms and immunity from local lols but what about the u s soldiers to remain in afghanistan. i wrangled either the key gathering of tribal elders. he's been so gorgeous and try to prevent forget major concerns the doctor this morning will be no guarantee to be used for peaceful purposes call he's been through criticism he would be a difference a day. ukraine has decided to pull operations for trade agreement with the eu comes off the country's parliament rejected a bill which would allow the jailed former prime minister yulia tymoshenko to receive medical treatment abroad. the cynics the shift he has more on the crikey relations between kiev and brussels. it is a sharp turnaround for ukraine's aspirations to sign the eu association deal next week in vilnius. now the kenyan government says that it has suspended all preparations for signing this doctrine during the eastern partnership summit of mostly as the statement

has little dirt offer on that so i don't think ukraine has lost anything. in other news the afghan president has rejected advice from the country's influential council of elders that he sign an important security pact with the u.s. as soon as possible and karzai told the three thousand strong meeting he would not ratify the dream meant with america until peace returned to afghanistan but washington has said any accord must be reached as soon as possible and if the deal is sealed up to fifteen thousand u.s. soldiers will stay until twenty fourteen and possibly beyond they would support afghan forces but would still be able to carry out military operations against al qaida and its affiliates that includes keeping the right to raid homes an issue that has enraged the afghan people and there's another contentious point to the deal gives american forces immunity placing them solely on the u.s. military jurisdiction which leaves the afghan president under pressure from the u.s. and it. karzai is worried of course that he owes his existence to the presence of the

government to rearrange budget priorities in continue down the path of economic reform on top of this ukraine is back in the news in a very big way in talks with iran move the oil price. to discuss these issues in more i'm joined by dmitry babich he is a political analyst with voice of russia radio station we also have jacob now he is the chief economist with morgan stanley russia and we also have here just love nice of bowler keizer chief economist at deutsche bank russia the state of russia's economy flatlining well i mean look we've had we've had maybe three disappointments this year i think when you sort of put it on the table one is growth we all know about that investment being negative but but other sources of growth also not not far on all cylinders we've seen also the current account decline it's not so much on the trade side but it's more in service is in income it's gone down to under two percent g.d.p. and we've also seen inflation this autumn pick up again despite having a pretty good harvest so that's that's that's three pieces of of unfortunate economic news but i think actuall

protest in ukraine with a speaker of the twenty in parliament joining the rally adding fuel to the growing diplomatic stand. by by their looks county italy's former prime minister is expelled from parliament over his conviction for tax fraud by the values to remain in politics. and that's the sound of a do it yourself gun three d. technology now allows weapons of any shape to be printed in metal. exposed twenty five to thirty five hours depending on the machine we put it on and what materials. we talk to engineers of printed three d. firearms and find out whether that acknowledging it could be about to get out of control. what you are to international live in moscow with me marina joshie welcome to the program the protests continue great against the government's rejection of an e.u. trade deal and assess a nation and association agreement and that as an summit is set to start in the us when ian capital vilnius where ukraine's president promised to explain to the blocs leaders why they turned down the path well for more on this now we can cross live to a correspondent here she asked who is

why is ukraine so important for moscow? >> of course, traditionally ukraine is seen as part of a very -- area where russia dominates not only politically and economically but culturally. e with thes association agreement, i think the final push has been made -- something -- [indiscernible] the european union was that eager to get ukraine on its -- it was this typical zero-sum game on both sides. >> we have seen russia flexing its diplomatic muscles of late. this issue of ukraine but also syria and iran. are these adding up to victories for vladimir putin? -- putin. reject puttingly syria and around the ukraine in the same basket but syria has serious international problems, tragedy, and there are issues in iran but ukrainian is nothing, -- i'm surprised the passions became so hot. nothing changed and nothing happened. for russia to demonstrate the european union the whole eastern partnership policy was a fake. here and the european union. >> thank you very much for that analysis from a russian perspective. where thelatvia s

in fact it was the european union blackmailed ukraine and would had been blackmailed in ukraine all throughout the negotiation process let's have a listen to the russian president when i heard that ukraine has suspended not cancelled but suspended negotiations with the e.u. he wants to review everything we heard a threat from the e.u. to ukraine all the way up to organizing mass protests this is pressure and blackmail first gets more thought would could lie ahead for ukraine next and alexander ross on the line he's research director of the german russian forum alexander thanks to make of the time to be with us that i mean this isn't the final cancellation of these so-called association talks towards a deal is it it's just merely been perspired and yes what's your understanding. well we don't know but one. scenario could be that everything. can be resumed at the next e.u. korean summit in the eagle which will be organized next year and the crane will say now they are ready to sign and the european union will agree with that this is one of the good possibility the possibility that the

reporting from kiev in ukraine. and the decision to postpone further integration has split the ukrainian parliament here. i i as you can see right there the opposition bowing the parliament's refusal to allow the team a shanker to get medical treatment abroad a further statements on postponing the idea of european integration were met with calls for the presidency which meant around one thousand activists launched a protest against the decision and called for a mass rally on sunday that date coinciding with the beginning of the orange revolution by geo political analyst f william angle he believes the e.u. has nothing to offer ukraine in the first place. i suspect that the ukrainian. political leadership but as it has a delusional view of what the e.u. would bring for your cranium economy of course a they long to be accepted as a western european nation and so forth since the breakup of the soviet union but right now the e.u. is in a kind of a death spiral the e.u. has little right now to offer a crane and if you cr

reporting from kiev in ukraine. now the country's parliament voted against a draft they would have let jailed a former prime minister yulia timoshenko get medical treatment abroad the decision set as a precondition for integration with europe has certainly split the ukrainian parliament have a look right here i think that is the opposition airing the government's refusal and further statements on postponing the idea of european integration were met with calls for the president's impeachment many m.p.'s supported the initial rallies in the capital and said they would join weekend demonstrations. and while the opposition is seeking a vote of no confidence for the government the government is sticking by its belief that integration with europe could do more harm than good here on the program we discuss the pros and cons with venture capital host. according to the energy minister of the ukrainian energy minister he seems to think that it's all about economics and that it makes sense for ukraine to stay away from the e.u

debating ukraine's rejected e.u. bid and just how attractive the deal was for kiev in the first place all that's up for debate in today's crossed. the fact is the european union doesn't have money to hand out ukraine needs an awful lot of money and everyone knows that the european union and its member states are broke they have debt up to their eyeballs and they can't afford to pay their own bills let alone other people's both russia and the european union like integration with ukraine but unocal overture to the end of the day just said it's not a good enough deal i think the only quality of government trying to probe and see where that the european union would be able to provide some financial assistance and also whether it would be willing to nudge the i.m.f. to be more lenient and maybe have preconditions for unlocking the loans however the european union made it clear that they're not going to make any concessions. on our website r.t. dot com we've gathered expert opinion on the e.u. ukrainian association deal yo

in ukraine's capital of kiev crowds of pro e.u. protesters attempted to storm the parliament building and clashed with police who responded with tear gas authorities say around fifty thousand people rallied in central kiev angry at the government's decision to suspend integration plans in a different part of the city a large group of protesters stage rival rally against closer ties with brussels artie's alexei your reports on a deal that not only divided people within the country but also the international community ukraine is divided again the decision by the government to suspend the free trade agreement with the european union polarized the country these people participating in the largest protest rally i've seen him years and say that they completely disagree with his decision they say the president must be impeached there's a different rally just a few hundred meters from his supporters of the president say that this decision was a burgomaster one and was not a correct one the notion which is shared by many political analysts

ukraine and you turn on the. let's go live to pilin dr marcus curve is there is founder of the europe listening to dr evening to you nice to see you tonight we've heard a little bit early in the program fuel for your fellow germans they're not keen at all on the idea of paying for a ukraine to integrate further within the e.u. it would cost a lot to do it wouldn't it well the financial considerations. certainly an important argument but for the time being. what matters most is that. korean population is split between those who. have a preference for russia or those who have a preference for the european union so the question of. financial consideration is not really on the agenda. as far as the european union in general is concerned you know we have enormous financial problems budget problems problems of public debt and this is not the best moment to talk about the hearings of the entry of such an important country like you but it is very back and here's why it's why we but i'm sorry to interrupt but it is a figh

for an independent ukraine we have to fight for tomorrow other people believe ukraine may have in fact dodged a bullet. the decision to suspend the preparation of signing the association agreement and zone of free trade with the e.u. is the only one possible in the current difficult economic situation which we now have in ukraine do you have a delusion that life will be better in the e.u. talk to polish people talk to gary and right now the e.u. is you know kind of a death spiral may be you has little right now to offer craning hours after the korean government's decision reports emerged that unocal beach told his lithuanian counterpart in a phone call that russia economically blackmailed kiya out of signing the deal with the european union. i don't know what the ukrainian president was talking about with his lithuanian counterpart maybe we should all scar american friends about that well if saying that ukraine would not enjoy trade benefits with russia if it formed a free trade zone with the e.u. is blackmail how would one describe these statements by european officials i disagree tha

ukraine's opposition is fanning the flames of discontent from happy with the government's move to cut eu integration also a cracking down on the currency practices washington consider slapping on a price to protect provide america's all helpful. boil milk tea on the rolls dessert ready to sell weapons to kill three james despite that for human rights record. the he would be a four ounce a day the world's political elites have descended on geneva in the course of its appeal can be reached with iran and brits you're a new enrichment program. upon his arrival a few of the day. russia's foreign minister met with his iranian counterpart straight away. optimism about the potential agreement is an evenly divided between the six countries participating in the toolbox which have now entered the third day of his playboy kodak is joining us live now from geneva to bring us the latest. he is there a feeling when either the breakthrough could be reached this time well built old's hair in full swing the man as he said has been a flurry of activity since russia said a map of jesse james is anybody's

after ukraine's president definitively. agreement with the e.u. . tens of thousands are still protesting in new gradient and hundreds of riot policemen are on the ground as well creating simmering tension. i kept on and nothing came out which was very frightening. horrible a lot of. slides and if those side effects of fracking weren't enough communities in texas and also having to cope with earthquakes which some blame. all drilling. i began to have some serious philosophical reservations about what the fed was doing and i decided to apologize to america as the black friday shopping in the u.s. we look at where the wild buying spree of the federal reserve has landed the american economy five years after it started. this is r t international live from moscow with twenty four hours a day. police have been deployed on independence square in the ukrainian capital where thousands of been besieging the parliament building day and night demonstrators are angry that the country's president refused to sign an association deal with the e.u. joining an eastern

as ukraine opes against jumping into bed with the e.u. and cozy up to russia instead russel's accuses moscow of ludwig while president putin says it was you're abusing the dirty tricks. torture is or another leg of it's a big journey to stall street plunging to the bottom of the deepest lake called us and conquering open space. international news and comment live from moscow this is all see with me thanks for joining us there is an exam. where his story deal on iran's nuclear program could potentially be signed although foreign diplomats on the iranian delegation sound optimistic any further details about just of what's happening there has been almost impossible to extract polevoy carries they're for. foreign ministers are locked in talks at the moment security has been beefed up here there at the intercontinental hotel where most of the negotiations are taking place and there's so much security that we've had to move away from that when i in the media center but these talks are shrouded in secrecy that negotiations taking place behind cl

ukraine g.d.p. by six to twelve percent and quite frankly signing of free trade deal with the deal is better because of the earth five hundred millions you customers compared to the one hundred seventy million. customers and you know. and b. and below us of course right that's your take on it so is it dead in the water yet that's the big question now we're hearing it's off the marriott maybe on the e.u. saying it's still on the table even up until the end of the week of course there's the eastern partnership summit coming up in building us on thursday and friday so it could still happen do you think or more i'm sorry i didn't hear you yet the e.u. saying that the offer is still on the table up until the end of the weakness eastern partnership meeting is happening in vilnius at the end of the week and it could it be signed then you think. well i mean all the weight for you nick of each . step do you have the foreign minister of ukraine saying that agenda which would actually go in values on thursday