ukraine. do feel like an outsider but not really because of being born in the united states. it isa being born in the united states. it is a little bit more about having a great amount of hope in what is happening in ukraine. working within the government, i am not a politician, i am a doctor is that pa rt politician, i am a doctor is that part of it sometimes does make me feel a bit different than the other ministers but would have a good working relationship. you can't really be in a government and not be a politician, at least be political in the end because day by day, you are not doctoring, you are wrestling with other branches of government to get stuff done politically. yes, we are. we are wrestling together. we have a pretty good team. what was important when i came into the ministry was that i brought in a tea m ministry was that i brought in a team with me so that we can get the work done they needed to change the healthcare work done they needed to change the healthca re system work

ukraine has ukraine has become the poorest per capita g.d.p. per capita country in europe and on the strength of that you tell them they're all crooks and as a result this is a result of this corrupt at least i wouldn't stand up and then of course i notice you have president owning becoming part and to because all that goes on electricity monopoly then you raise a selected prices and there's nothing in there and you knew this before you did on the job so look no new this you know but you know he was an oligarchy you knew he hadn't sold your chocolate business good even though he promised to do this while you had no illusions or you should have had no illusions about what you were getting into you gave in eighteen months and you call them or you ross you throw up your hands and then you walk in and nothing when we started we both believe that he had unique chance to become somebody else yes he had all this corrupt backgrounds of connections but on the other hand people came to mend it and we believe in this if you start quite well he brought som

by ukraine's former president viktor yanukovych. so where does all of this leave the man who was once hailed as a champion of democracy. i'm sami's a down in the dutch capital i've come to amsterdam to discuss with mr saakashvili his rise and fall and how he plans to continue his political career former georgian president mikheil saakashvili talks to el dizzy and. former president of georgia a former governor of a desa ukraine thanks so much for talking to al-jazeera thank you for inviting me so you're now here in the netherlands but on april the third you spoke about how you want to return to georgia when will that happen well the or entire region are we going to change the the present artificial situation when all garcia running the show sidelining the people sidelining democracy just making fun of the whole idea of the political process it's very artificial and there you can't return until that changes or else you would probably go by the refs except i also ball sort of change i keep i the only politician maybe well maybe in the

host: actually, she is from ukraine. guest: i am from ukraine. kiev.it is a fantastic country that i hope president trump will visit. call fromave a hudson, massachusetts. good morning. caller: about 67 months ago, the united states got its missile propulsion technology from the ukraine. is that true? guest: i would have to check on the exact missiles you are referring to. story not seen the exact you are talking about, but i think that is something we should look into. host: what changes do you think will come from mike pompeo taking over for rex tillerson? guest: we're seeing a shift in personnel that i think will signal a shift in russia policy. in addition to mike pompeo, who has been nominated to take over the state department from rex tillerson, we also have a new national security advisor coming in, john bolton. they may not agree on everything, but we know they agree on a much stronger stance against russia, much more hawkish policy. i think that means the kremlin will face a lot stronger consequences in the very near future, of course assuming

but it's the government of ukraine which wants to and it's a much shorter population of ukraine with which wants to choying nato i don't think given the resistance by nato members such as germany and france ukraine will become an official member of nato indeed needed future or not eat. in india for seeable future but what we see are steps taken on the ground calling ukraine now an aspirant country to bring ukraine defacto closer to the alliance and i think this is not helpful. the russians also the west should make a concession of not including ukraine in nato but the russians need to make concessions to the military solution of eastern ukraine and there we have not seen sufficient thirds by the russian side not assuming that the russian government has full control over the separatists but we don't have not seen enough resolution on the russian side to bring it least about a comprehensive peace plan which will be helpful by the way for the russian interests because if we had a comprehensive honesty's between the two sides it would be in the ball be in a court of the ukrainians they w

corruption is huge, it's the number one problem in ukraine. it's kind of a cancer, a tumour inside the country. ukraine is a classical mafia state. there is almost no space beyond corruption. it's all filled by corruption. have you been using london to launder dirty money? mr trukhanov? it's very easy to get dirty money into the uk if you have the right connections. we are complicit because we are helping them still public money. —— we are complicit because we are helping them steal public money. we are providing the getaway vehicle, the safe haven in which they can hide it. we have become the money—laundering capital of the world and our reputation has been damaged by it. i've just been knocked over, somebody kicked me in the groin. this is a story of how gangsters' dirty money ends up in britain. but it starts in ukraine, at the home of the former president. it's now a museum, a symbol of corruption. when people first came here, they were really surprised. they saw all the luxury that was built with their own money, the money stolen by the p

up ukraine and relaunch some kind of a war of it well i go to daniel i. see it western mainstream media doesn't take any interest in these things but i'm a lot closer to this situation and things are getting to a boiling point in ukraine that's why may is going to be a very hot hot month oh right before the world cup in moscow i'm sure there's no connection there ok daniel i mean you know looking and syria we could talk a little bit maybe about ukraine and some more later but you know you have this flip flopping going back and forth and i'm going to agree with michael i think that trump is really expressing the views of his base that they don't like these foreign entanglements these interventions and the terrible waste of money when he wants to get an investment bill passed in the united states which desperately needs an improvement in infrastructure here so i mean he seems to want to have both ways when he can't have both go ahead daniel. yeah tweets and rhetoric aside from policy is always something to decipher with this president but i disagree with bo

because ukraine.since yesterday is promoting glorification of naziism on the level of their government and this what's important you have french nazi groups in many comforters but the ukraine past especially just relation to glorify the nazi war criminals people don't know about it i mean it's for prohibited by the law to criticize. i mean and listen let me remind something that few years ago there was a contest on the holocaust cartoons in tehran i mean the whole world was really furious about it i expect from people now to be furious about what's happening involving cell trajan's i see that only ration israel writing to protest but we are talking about something absolutely inconceivable that the government officially promotes glorification of bounces and then they start it's kind of read very sinister serious his and they went for their children they want their children to appraise the nazi past now you have to know and you know do of course that in ukraine there are ninety five percent of ukrainian

then in one thousand nine hundred fifty four the peninsula became part of ukraine. i a demonstration in the crimean capital simferopol in march twenty fourth team was an overwhelming show of support by the majority ethnic russian population of crimea in favor of leaving ukraine and joining russia. legendary coach. i that sentiment was reflected in the outcome of a referendum a few days later. some notes of the multiple sclerosis by on march sixteenth the referendum was holding crimea this referendum took place in line with international legal standards and the rules of democracy were able to reach two percent of the electorate voted mr district territory must have stable leadership the fact is that only russia can provide it. a totally offical course of the pricey . understanding the present situation requires a look back at the region's complicated history. in seven hundred eighty three empress catherine announced that crimea had been incorporated into the russian empire. two hundred thirty one years later president vladimir putin signed a treaty absorbing crimea i

corruption is huge, it's the number one problem in ukraine. it is a cancer, a tumour inside the country. ukraine is a classical mafia state. there is almost no space beyond corruption. it's all filled by corruption. have you been using london to launder dirty money? mr trukhanov? it's very easy to get dirty money into the uk if you have the right connections. we are complicit because we are helping them still public money. we are providing the getaway vehicle, the safe haven in which they can hide it. we have become the money—laundering capital of the world and our reputation has been damaged by it. under pressure from the west, ukraine has set up a national anti—corruption bureau, nabu for short. it is confronting the corrupt elite who are exploiting the country. you might think white collar crime is just bankers and money transfers but this is how seriously they take it in ukraine. and they need the target practice. here is what happened when nabu visited the home of a judge suspected of corruption. translation: nabu is the first law enforce

aggressive in this in ukraine i was referring to secretary of state clinton and i think the u.s. needs to pull back in the off a with the positive effect of seeing to meet the needs of the base reigning in the neo cons who are not yet completely in control and not pursuing policies that will inevitably lead to war while at the same time looking strong so this i think brings us to the nub of current the current vector of mr trump which is to make a deal with korea which is outside of the realms that we've been talking about and that would give of his administration the sufficient authority then to more effectively rein in israel britain france saudi arabia's that are causing all sorts of pesky problems and might create a basis for coming to some kind of agreement with mr putin in the future and that vehicle for that the framework for that has not been established but that doesn't mean it cannot be established so it's a it's a very fine line i think the president is trying to to follow well there's so many opportunities that are being squandered left and right that's what makes it

the war in eastern ukraine, more than 10,000 people have died.ntering its fourth year, this has become one of the longest conflicts in modern european history. there is no end in sight to the hostilities, after separatist rebels, backed by russia, took over ukraine's donbass region. hundreds of thousands of families were split up, stranded on opposite sides of the new border. with destruction all around, one familiar smell of peace time. but life for many here is anything but normal. i'm lucy ash and i'm in the town of marinka, where a bakery is providing comfort and hope amidst the trauma of war. marinka lies on the ukrainian side of the frontline. before the conflict, nearly 10,000 people lived here. there is only half that number now. factories and coal mines have come to a standstill. ina warzone, jobs are hard to find. but for those trapped here, daily life must somehow go on. i have come to meet oleg tkachenko, a local pastor who, against the odds, has started a small business here. he converted this old supermarket, damaged in the fighting

to little for the criticism of ukraine because then you build this. is this notion of these but this like civil war would go away it's. very impressed you know again great having you on the show. to give you a little background of course you you were not a lot of performance after being invited there you know for political reasons basically and my understanding is that you follow that up with a concert and don't boss young was invited to didn't bust off that i became so you have to get in this is in the ukraine you have to go in there through soviet union and on the front line. and you know in the cold war i in the soviet union. was a lie and so your goal from what i should say in this was like my first well you know i'm streaking is like victoria nuland yeah i'm channeling victoria nuland you had to go through the soviet union you had a tunnel your way through the wreckage in the detritus of a communist collapse to get to dumb bombs but i'd like bread lines. and you perform your wicked classical music yes i'm eating the. because i am one ukrainian se

the criticism of ukraine because when you build this. this nation these but this like. you would google it i got very impressed again great having you on the show so to give you a little background of course you you were not a lot of performance around town after being invited there you know for political reasons basically and my understanding is that you follow that up with the concert and boss yeah i was invited to didn't bust off that i became. so you have to get in this is in the ukraine you have to go in there through soviet union behind the front line i mean if you know if you want to call the war on the soviet union. was alliance your goal for them what i should say in this was like my first string is like the jury knew in the. yeah i'm channeling victoria nuland you had to go through the soviet union you had a tunnel your way through the wreckage in the detritus of a communist collapse to get to don't boss has put out the light bread lines. and you perform your wicked classical music yes i'm eating the bacon turkeys because i'm one ukrainian security services bl

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further talks between the governments of germany and ukraine have already been planned the c.e.o. of the ukrainian gas company enough to us is pinning his hopes on them in an interview with joy to valley he expressed his concern that north stream two would expand russian competitor gas problems market dominance we believe by removing transitory crazy if we can elsewhere basically clears his way for full scale military operation should the pipeline project continue with that transfers in ukraine the economic cost to the country could be up to three billion euros only. and that's going to correspond david stern who joins us from kiev david tell us more about ukraine's objections to this second phase of the project what's behind it exactly. well as you've heard it's both an economic and political case for ukraine economic and you heard the figure three billion dollars annually that's a great deal of money for a country like ukraine on any day but obviously they're going through some very difficult economic times right now and so the question is where they would find that money they'v

then the pipeline north stream one was built and now north stream is also planned that means ukraine will not be needed as a transit country which means it will lose millions in revenue every year but the implications are not just economic it's also a politically sensitive topic crane with next door neighbor russia. the planned pipeline will be twelve hundred kilometers long and transports russian gas to europe via the baltic sea but the north stream too isn't simply an economic project it's taken on a political dimension to specifically concerning the role of ukraine in overland translators. it's better. for the dependence on russian gas persists but for ukraine revenues are at stake and there's also a strategic significance that's why we've made clear that from our standpoint the north stream to project is impossible if we don't have clarity about ukraine's role as a transit location and it's all of i think it. the movie is further talks between the governments of germany and ukraine have already been planned the c.e.o. of the ukrainian gas company enough to gas is pinning his hope

ask the question you know i mean i'm an expert on these topics obviously someone who was born in ukraine but when you heard the voice of victoria nuland the assistant secretary of state on the phone talking to folks in europe about orchestrating a coup in ukraine on behalf of nato so that they could protect the interests of months her husband's lobbyist group and an obvious push east to repudiate everything that was negotiated with the reagan under the cold war one that ended the cold war just a complete kick in the teeth to the peace process a kick in the teeth to anyone who seeks to have a more peaceful future how does that make you feel. that the word upset but at the same time you have to understand that the majority of people truly believe the west . you know it's only since the beginning when you leave that are you in the hands of these people actually some more to see in the world. well buli to take over your positions in the company so we should you can come when you will lucian sort of who would deserve doing the best you know thanks with subtle and gunther which is absolutely s

secretary pompeo: so there was discussion today about ukraine, ukraine's potential entry to be a nato partner, that there's much work to do along the way to achieve that. i think that i'm always careful to describe consensus when there were lots of differing voices about how to approach it and what the right action set ought to be to achieve it, but i think there was a large group who are hopeful that the ukrainians will begin to take the actions that would put them in a place where they could, in fact, be an aspirant to become a nato member. ms. nauert: everyone, thank you. thank you so much. secretary pompeo: okay, thank you, all. ms. nauert: mr. secretary, thank you. we've had an awfully long day, as you can imagine. >> c-span, where history unfolds daily. in 1970 nine, c-span was created as a public service i america's cable television companies and today, we continue to bring you unfiltered coverage of congress, the white house, the supreme court, and public's policy events in washington and around the country. c-span is brought to you by your cable or satellite provider. 7:00 p.

secretary pompeo: so there was discussion today about ukraine, ukraine's potential entry to be a nato partner, that there's much work to do along the way to achieve that. i think that i'm always careful to describe consensus when there were lots of differing voices about how to approach it and what the right action set ought to be to achieve it, but i think there was a large group who are hopeful that the ukrainians will begin to take the actions that would put them in a place where they could, in fact, be an aspirant to become a nato member. ms. nauert: everyone, thank you. thank you so much. secretary pompeo: okay, thank you, all. ms. nauert: mr. secretary, thank you. we've had an awfully long day, as you can imagine. will hear more on foreign policy this weekend. it talks about the list of elements on the korean peninsula and upcoming deadline for the certified the iran nuclear agreement. i am carry us where you stand on the deal, and how you see this playing out in the coming weeks. we are close to the mate off deadline. >> i am not good at predicting the next few weeks, i propose

i want to talk about your experiences in ukraine. a ratherthere at important moment, when ukraine was searching for what it would become. i remember you did not speak ukrainian, at least in the beginning. you walked into a ukrainian office, and there was a careful dance about when english was appropriate and when russian might be acceptable. one time you took me out to the countryside, to an arts incubator in the middle of nowhere. it was really quite exciting. i remember that day. most importantly, you were in on the ground floor of a transformation of ukrainian society. whatu look back on that, were the most important transformations you saw taking place? grace: i was there almost five years. it was a year of enormous andsition in ukraine, enormous -- it was a hopeful time. it was a time when everything was getting better. every day, something new was starting. i remember when i first came to get dinner, you have to go to four different shops at least. here, another thing there, wine here, bread has to come from the bread store. no

our law for the government of ukraine. prized by. the. powers we just send the nub of those. who are in danger they want to degrade these people and when you click a response to our. actions sanctions were imposed it's. not ready for you concessions we do not want to see any redrawing of the. court walk around. him already he has some certain ideas which good trading means. completely and he says that the initiative of russia to. have un you. see personnel and guarded by the. story of the officers. is not an illusion the couple of thousands of soldiers. so as the armed vehicles should be dispatched there un administration should be installed. there with. twenty thousand of troops they will be conducting the actions and then they will be divided the rules for it it has nothing to do with the music agreement and that is clear for everyone who is at least a bit interested in the international affairs if there is a plead to see concessions on our side well. nothing will come out of it any ideas we have anything which has to do with the misc agreements should be. agreed upon betwe

richard: the youth don't give up in ukraine. they always stand for their country.y. whilst in ghana, youth are always leaving their leaders to do whatever they like. it shouldn't be so. reporter: ukrainian law requires the students return to ghana after graduating. harriet is keen for them to bring their skills back to ghana. 15 years ago, she moved to dusseldorf. she worked there as a cleaning lady, and sent her savings to ghana to build an orphanage. she looked for sponsors and donations, and founded the organization african angel. for a long time, the children and students didn't know t tht harriet had to scrub toilets in dusseldorf to finance their education. that came as a surprise. >> what did you feel? james: humility, at the peak. if someone like mommy is this humble and cleans toilets to get money together for, let's say, me -- i have no reason to say i'm not learning. and that applies to all of us. mary: for me, i didn't know what to say, because i wasn't going to school, and for someone to clean toilets just to take care of me -- i was really happy. i didn

host: actually, she is from ukraine. guest: i am from ukraine. kiev.it is a fantastic country that i hope president trump will visit. call fromave a hudson, massachusetts. good morning. caller: about 67 months ago, the united states got its missile propulsion technology from the ukraine. is that true? guest: i would have to check on the exact missiles you are referring to. story not seen the exact you are talking about, but i think that is something we should look into. host: what changes do you think will come from mike pompeo taking over for rex tillerson? guest: we're seeing a shift in personnel that i think will signal a shift in russia policy. in addition to mike pompeo, who has been nominated to take over the state department from rex tillerson, we also have a new national security advisor coming in, john bolton. they may not agree on everything, but we know they agree on a much stronger stance against russia, much more hawkish policy. i think that means the kremlin will face a lot stronger consequences in the very near future, of course assuming

and certainly all citizens of ukraine every man woman and child of. their own land of the enemy invades. no one wants russia here which is the. rebel against global news that matters. d.w. made for mines.

one industrial plant critical to ukraine's economy is situated right on the front line, intent on staying up and running, no matter what it takes. newshour weekend special correspondent christopher livesay brings us this report. >> reporter: it's the largest facility of its kind in all of europe. the metinvest plant in eastern ukraine processes coal into coke, a high-gde fuel essential to manufacturing steel. this massive plant, essential to ukraine's economy, is notable not only for its size, but that it continues to function under repeated attack in a war zone. its survival is due in part to the u.s.>> he fact that we continue to work here looks more and more m likeacle. >> reporter: to help understand the danger for ourselves, we arranged to tour the plant, onen feggy morng. we were first brabout its more "typical" hazards: high estemperatures, gas, high-re pipes, and heavy machinery. feels like the end of the world up here. the best way to stay out of the way, in some cases, was to let it roll righover me. we were taken to one of eight furnaces-- it's really toastyp here. --each burni

back a mystery internationals demanding that the ukraine government investigates an attack on a roma gypsy camp in the capital kiev. last week a nationalist group destroyed the camp children were reportedly injured in the incident people fled while the tents and other belongings were burned the attackers also used tear gas and also reportedly guns currently no one can be sure that they want become the next week to swarm up radicals they shoot themselves with and caring for the public but actually they're terrorizing ordinary people police say there were no reports of violence some of the fires were simply part of a cleanup operation a political commentator we spoke to thinks that nationalists in ukraine have the government's support. i suppose that on the local level some policemen of the world tried to prevent open violence but when the government and the parliament officially praise and glory finances how can you expect anything else and i said actually it's not they first came to jews is the whole verse says but then they came to add this when they came to me it was too late i mea