but i must ask you to respond to the accusations against ukrainian forces, either regulate ukrainiansts who are supporting them who are armed. the united nations high commissioner and human rights and interbreed this year ukrainian government forces and armed groups supporting you continued to violate rights in it in ukraine. whenever our forces are fighting back, when time allows, they are notifying people from the oec that they are notifying people from the 0ec that they go to buy. that is what makes us different from the russian militants. —— that they are going to fire. but what you are alluding to right now is these problems that we have unfortunately, first and foremost, 82% of the incidents that are happening of attacks on, for instance, 0ec monitors, on the ground, they are happening on the grounds that are not controlled by the ukrainian forces. i ascended the criticisms are about both sides. i am asking you about the criticisms against ukrainian forces. —— you about the criticisms against ukrainianforces. —— i you about the criticisms against ukrainian forces. —— i am sayin

it is the response of our politicians to the ukrainian society, the understanding of the ukrainian societyst right now we have to concentrate on being capable to defend ourselves. so you want to join nato? and once we are ready, once we are integrated functionally into nato and interoperable, we will be able to submit our membership application. president poroshenko says there will be a referendum onjoining nato, is that so? at some point but first and foremost we have to understand we need to do a lot of homework before we're ready to submit the application. similarly, your portfolio, european integration, ukraine, you would like to at some stage join the european union again, eu commissionerjean—claude juncker said that wouldn't happen at least for 20 or 30 years because they've tried to expand to quickly. who's going to absorb a country of 45 million such as ukraine, it's not going to happen, it's a fairytale? it's a great emerging market. it was a choice of the ukrainian people during the revolution of dignity, which started just because the previous president of ukraine, yanukovych, d

under my new ukrainian state. as the you know so little plundering ukrainian resources and ukraine doesn't he will have all the guys like russia so what we need to do. is to clear enabled the c. ugh reformers and that's i see my role as a precedent that i've been doing that. that's why all these people are now over support to both me and i'm very grateful for that because it did the route cry was universal. and use that person was not doing enough call but corruption that's not my main criticism i think has been doing more than enough to fight corruption. together with his fellow the guards that's made to play we have against person call fortune was disappointed because when i started force within you. ea pretty disastrous war with russia over. that the region of south of sex yeah. and i use the right man to stand up to blood imitation. look who world but a bit put it up that this not because of th one region of georgia he was very unhappy georgia successful reform experience we'd really. needs the more spectacula

"ukrainian efforts to sabotage trump backfire." now, in the article, political explains how a dnc operative actually paid a ukrainian government official -- they worked to aid the dnc and the hillary clinton campaign. to hurt donald trump during the 2016 election. the report details how this democratic operative, who used to work at the clinton white house, lead this effort and even met with the ukrainian diplomats at the ukrainian embassy to talk about ways to expose former trump campaign manager paul manafort and hurt the campaign. this operative went on to describe those ukrainian officials as being "helpful" when it came to leads to pick up information, dirt on donald trump in his campaign. then this quote... "she occasionally shared her findings with officials with the dnc and the clinton campaign." so, this dnc operative, paid, was working with ukraine and also sharing potentially damaging information with the tidnc and hillary clinton's campaign. then to top it all off, the dnc operative also said that she would give off the

government. >> i go back to the ukrainian example.w you don't want to discuss it because you say it's not being valte investigated, but raises the question. >> nobody from the ukrainian government met with the clinton campaign. >> that's not true. there were representatives at the ukrainian embassy. the politico report was there. >> the democratic consultant, ukrainian american activist alexander chalupa did gather information on paul manafort who did resign from the trump campaign. she denies that dnc officials asked her to collect information from the ukrainian embassy itself. >> let's discuss. we have david stern, he co-wrote the initial politico article on which all of this is based and cnn politics's dan merica. let's start at the beginning. david do you think that the trump team is trying to conflate these two things, that whatever meeting don junior had with this russian attorney is eclipsed, they say, by whatever this dnc consultant did with ukraine. what is your take on this? >> well, first of all, i want to say i'm not here

but i must ask you to respond to the accusations against ukrainian forces, either regular ukrainian armeded nations high commissioner and human rights said in february this year ukrainian government forces and armed groups supporting you continued to violate and abuse the rights to life, liberties, security, and physical integrity in eastern ukraine. whenever our forces are fighting back, when time allows, they are notifying people from the 0sce that they going to fire. that is what makes us different from the russian militants. that is one thing. and what you are alluding to right now is these problems that we have unfortunately, first and foremost, 82% of the incidents that are happening of attacks on, for instance, 0sce monitors, on the ground, they are happening on the grounds that are not controlled by the ukrainian forces. no, no, i accept that. i am saying the criticisms are about both sides. i am asking you about the criticisms made against ukrainian forces. i will give you another example. human rights watch said in february in a report that ukrainian government forces and pro—go

let's take the ukrainian situation is one example. okay, give a dnc paid operative sharing information with the dnc and hillary clinton, meeting in the ukrainian embassy. they are disseminating information on then candidate donald trump. that sounds like collusion with a foreign government. i guarantee you, anybody that watches cnn or nbc doesn't know this story. >> here's a way to think of the current elite media. they rush past the bank robbery to get one of us for jaywalking. that's how bad it is. as far as we are concerned, there's no problem on the left, no collision on the left, but boy, you have to watch out for those republicans. they might have had a 20 minute meeting. it's absurd. i've said several times now that this is actually much more like the famous play "the crucible," it's about the witchcraft trials of salem. you have a news media elite which wakes up every morning saying i know trump did something terrible, i wonder what it was. then they spend the whole day looking for an excuse to write a bombshell shocking story

diplomats and the ukrainian embassy and chalupa said the ukrainian diplomats were helpful when it came to finding information. they were researching it, disseminating that information, and the bombshell quote about chalupa, well, she shared her findings with officials from the dnc and clinton's campaign. oh, that's called collusion. but chalupa's efforts didn't end there. remember, she also said she would help, quote, a lot of journalists, willing accomplices in the media and writing stories about mana port to try to hurt the trump campaign. we've reached out again to chalupa, but haven't heard back. shocking. as we said last night on the program, she needs to be called in by republicans. they have the power to do this. put her under oath, make her testify to congress, what did she know, when she know did it, who did she share the information with? and congress needs to hear from the ukrainian ambassador she was meeting with. remember, she that the down in the ambassador. we can't stop there. the didn't, they were briefed. debbie wasserman schultz needs to be put under oath and tell yo

now, this includes by meeting with ukrainian diplomats at the ukrainian embassy and that loop that saidhose ukrainian diplomats were helpful when it came to finding information. then there is this damaging quote about chalupa in the article. she occasionally shared her findings with officials from the dnc and clinton's campaign. so, from what politico reported back in january, chalupa tried to share information with the dnc and hillary clinton's campaign. oh, sounds like collusion. now, we did once again, we reached out to this dnc operative for comment. we have yet to hear back. now chalupa did provide a statement to make news cnn. here's part of it during the 2016 u.s. election, i was a part-time consultant for the dnc running an ethnic engagement program. i was not an opposition researcher for the dnc and the dnc never asked me to go to the ukrainian embassy to collect information. by the way, during the period of time she made $412,000, according to politico. chalupa did admit that she did meet with the you rainyian officials at the ukrainian embassy but now claims six months later

i just outlined in great detailt the ukrainian issue of influence.usion, then of course you've got the british intel dossier, comey wanted to pay thi guy with false information he was paying for the informationhe but that's not what we hear about. what do you make of the double standard? >> the double standard is more than that i think by a long measure. this is an effort to support the administration and president donald trump. it is nothing less, it is an effort by the deep estates to roll over a dulyru elected president and a legitimate government. and to break the will of the american people. this is no longer about republicans and democrats and conservatives and liberals, this is a full on assault by the left, the democratic party to absolutely carry out a coup d'etat against president trump aided by the left-wing media. the suggestion there's collusion between trump and the russians? when we have absolute evidence of collusion between the clinton foundation, secretary of state clinton and the russians? what does it take? >> sean: i don't know w

and of course the ukrainian issue. real collusion with the dnc and hillary clinton's campaign. of course you have obama trying to oust and actively work into netanyahu, one of our closest allies in israel. if collusion matters, why haven't we heard about ukraine, ukraine, ukraine as much as we should? >> that's about the different candidates, the one who lost into the media wanted to win back. the president is right when he points that out. so much of this goes back to the election results and the fact that -- let's review a couple of things. you just mentioned the actual coordination and collusion between ukrainian embassy officials and dnc officials. they actually used that information to try to hurt people on the drum campaign. that's number one. number two, bill clinton got $500,000 in speaking fees from a russian bank. hillary clinton allowed 20% of our uranium reserves to go to the russian firm, whose investors gave money to the clinton foundation. the clinton campaign -- you're talking about actual evidence, not conjecture. my other impression of your interview is -- how

she does admit she met with the ukrainian officials at the embassy and now claims six months later the topic has not to do with the election. okay. putting the denial aside, six months after the article comes out there's so many questions we need answers to and our continued coverage on the scandal is now starting to get the attention of the destroy trump media and democrats. yesterday even congressman adam schiff was asked, finally, about ukrainian-russian collusion. >> i understand hillary clinton lost and his was not as elaborate as the russian effort but would it have been acceptable for the democrats to accept help from the ukrainians? >> i think if you look at the politico article and it's a single article here, if you accept all the facts in the article, the scale of what the russians did is not comparable to anything in the article. it would be problematic to get any support from a foreign government. again, to compare the two is like comparing bank robbery with writing a check with unsufficient funds. both improper but a different degree of seriousness and involvement by a for

we don't know why the how deep this dnc-you ukrainian issue went.ultiple investigations and fib we investigation. you notice they're treated as very different issues. trish: indeed. i wonder why. buck sexton, thank you very much. to their credit, has a little bit something to do with the fact that she is not president, of course he is. none the less double standard you can tell. jane sanders, wife of failed presidential hopeful bernie sanders in the hot seat. she says it is because of sexism. that's next. ♪ [brother] any last words? [boy] karma, danny... ...karma! [vo] progress is seizing the moment. your summer moment awaits you, now that the summer of audi sales event is here. audi will cover your first month's lease payment on select models during the summer of audi sales event. trish: market is pretty much trading this flat line today, just barely in positive territory right now. all this amid news that kkr is appointing two executives to succeed aging cofounders henry kravitz and george roberts. joseph bay and scott nuttle will take over day-to

government, ukrainian ambassador to hurtdo donald trump's campaign and boost hillary clinton. they highlighted how chalupa once worked for the clinton white house, to expose former trump campaign chairman paul manna fortune they worked accessible. she said the ukrainian diplomats were helpful when it came to .finding information, they were researching it and disseminated that information and the bombshell quote about chalupa, she shared her findings with officials from the dnc and clinton campaign. that's called collusion. but chalupa's efforts didn't end there. she also said that she would help a lot of journalists to write stories about a about to manna fortune to try to hurt the trump campaign. we reach out again to chalupa, we haven't heard back, shocking. as we said last night, she needs to be called in by the republicans, they have the power to do this. put her under oath, make her testify to congress, what did she know, when did she know what, how did she get thisw, information? who did she share the information with and congress also needs to hear from the ukrainian am

meeting with ukrainian officials at the ukrainian embassy in washington, d.c., to discuss ways to go over former trump campaign chairman, paul manafort. the ukraine diplomat was helpful in tracking leads. there was this bombshell, she occasionally shared her findings with officials from the dnc and clinton's campaign. on top of all of that, the operative claims she gave guidance and off the record information. saying a lot of journalists were writing about paul manafort. now that you have evidence about both sides, you have to decide for yourself. you we report, you decide. everybody in the media forced to tune into night, which is worse? why haven't you covered that story? why did news organizations extensively report on ukrainian collusion? politico did all the heavy lifting. all you had to do was follow up. is it because many of the so-called hot news organizations in this country exposed before the election as having colluded with the clinton campaign? remember wikileaks? if you are really interested in election interference, why didn't you care that a congressional investigation

report adds that a dnc operative even met with ukrainian officials at the ukrainian embassy in d.c., to discuss ways to explores paul manafort and ties to the country. they went to the ukrainian -- an outside entity. how many of you even heard about this before? there is actual evidence of collusion, they actually took place. the research actually happened. that's collusion. by the way, where was congress calling for investigations? there is another example that does expose the choice destroy. on top of all of this, another massive scandal the democrats and media are glossing over. according to an explosive new report from john solomon, he will join us later. the former fbi director james comey could be in serious legal trouble and had committed several felonies because four of the seven memos about his conversations with president trump did in fact contained classified information. we know from comey's testimony that he shared at least one of the memos with his friend. remember the columbia professor? who leaked it to "the new york times" on his behalf because he wanted a special co

but we have evidence with the ukrainian government saying >> but did the ukrainian -- was there interferencethe ukrainian government in the election >> just because you're ineffective in your collusion does not make you. >> want to jump in >> in traditional trump fashion we're moving the ball. talking about the ukrainian versus the dnc. of when we have a direct meeting where donald trump junior said i love it. where that shows his direct intent to engage in some type of activity with russian officials. and so to try to move the ball on, you know, another situati whatsoever, you know, is just a disservice. >> here's the problem for the trump white house right now. they're getting so problematic with the information that's coming out, this actually peeling off republicans. you have lindsay graham and others coming out and not only distancing themselves from the white house, but being openly critical about it. and on capitol hill. they're trying to blame things on the democrats for not moving forward. everybody knows the republicans control the white house. the house and the senate. the problem

at the center of the story is the ukrainian american woman named alexandra toluca.s a veteran democratic operative who used to work in the clinton white house and in 2016 while consulting for the dnc she reportedly met with ukrainian ambassadors at the embassy in washington to discuss paul manafort's ties to russia. that took place right before manafort was brought on as his campaign chairman and a few days later she reportedly briefed the dnc staff about it. according to politico, "but ukrainian efforts had an impact in the race helping to force manafort's resignation and advancing the narrative that the trump campaign was deeply connected to russia." it goes on to say that "they were far less concerted or centrally directed than russia's. most quote u.s. intelligence officials have concluded that russia hacking was personally directed by president putin, but there's little evidence of a similar effort by ukraine, so that's the difference. still, the trump administration is seizing on the similarities. they claim that this constitutes clear and active coordination

she also admitted that she did meet with ukrainian officials at the ukrainian embassy. here's the thing, if the politico story was wrong, why did chalupa wait six months to now correct the record? could it be that we are covering it every night? there's another major scandal. the uranium one deal. this is the real russian collusion conspiracy theory that the media doesn't want to pay attention to. during her tenure as secretary of state, hillary clinton signed off a waiver approving, giving up to 20% of uranium in america.

meeting with ukrainian officials at the ukrainian embassy in washington, d.c., to discuss ways to go over former trump campaign chairman, paul manafort. the ukraine diplomat was helpful in tracking leads. there was this bombshell, she occasionally shared her findings with officials from the dnc and clinton's campaign. on top of all of that, the operative claims she gave guidance and off the record information. saying a lot of journalists were writing about paul manafort. now that you have evidence about both sides, you have to decide for yourself. you we report, you decide. everybody in the media forced to tune into night, which is worse? why haven't you covered that story? why did news organizations extensively report on ukrainian collusion? politico did all the heavy lifting. all you had to do was follow up. is it because many of the so-called hot news organizations in this country exposed before the election as having colluded with the clinton campaign? remember wikileaks? if you are really interested in election interference, why didn't you care that a congressional investigation

actors as much as russia put like to be by ukrainian actors i mean be the government in kiev first and foremost obviously it has some leverage with the parties in the breakaway regions but by bringing the united states in a more active role in the you know that there was a new out of lawyer appointed by the trumpet ministration do you think americans would be getting in the way of the europeans because up until recently europeans have been very consistent in keeping the within the normandy format. if you did it is crucial i think to have to have the european engagement and you know it's sort of conflict that is producing. a kind of spillovers into europe. that it's enormously damaging to have this this this this conflict in the ukraine and it's. right that the outside powers have probably limited influence the but they can create a framework in books and the walk was trying to be done. in the minsk agreement now speaking about ukraine secretary of state tellers and the flu to keep from hamburg for a three hour a visit which included a meeting with the president meeting with his critics

they made with the ukrainians, they got opposition research from the ukrainians, so why is the media focusing on this. why don't you focus on what hillary did? what's your response. >> i literally have no idea what they're talking about. >> you didn't go to ukraine or someone on the campaign, you did not go to the ukraine to get opposition research? >> no. absolutely not. and what i do know happened was that reporters got information directly from the ukrainians of secret accounts where paul manafort, trump's campaign manager was receiving millions of dollars for work that he was doing to help a kremlin backed candidate. >> so that you did get? >> i'm saying reporters got that. i read about it in the paper like everybody else. i think they're trying to confuse us. >> just to be clear because they've said it so many times. you don't know of any meeting -- >> no. >> for get going to the ukraine. you don't know of any meeting between the ukrainian government and the hillary campaign? >> not at all. if foreign nationalists were reaching out to us with opposition research, there would hav

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ukrainian settlement. we did discuss this with president trump and we have agreed well this is already this has already happened there will be special and avoid pointed by the trumpet ministration that much and this person we deal with this matter on a regular basis. maintain contact with russia ukrainian all the stakeholders would you give us a very. address just as you can toss agency mr president i want to ask you about middle east the situation there is developing while it includes syria qatar and other countries as syria you probably had discussions on syria within the g twenty summit framework. and following the recent meeting in astronaut what's your assessment of the prospects for syrian settlement has there been any change maybe there has been a change for a more constructive dialogue given the yesterday and today and about qatar what's your assessment of the prospects for this country was it discussed at the g twenty one and if i may ask. you need a whole report right it's a rare opportunity so s

unfortunately, our present ukrainian policy refers aside from that. there is one trade, one commodity really successful at the moment. they are trading in dividing russia from ukraine, dragging the one from the other. some people seem to like that in the west. some consider that we should be converging russia and ukraine should never happen, so i would just say there is a very active and unsuccessful trade in the commodity of russia for be at russiaphobia at the moment. we need to make sure it comes to a halt as soon as possible as for as the u.s. is concerned and settlement of ukrainian crisis. we did talk about that with president trump. talked about the measures on hand and the nomination of the special representative who will be working on a continual basis in contact with russia and the ukraine and with everybody, all the vested interests who have an interest in putting an end to it. >> i have a question on the middle east. which is in turmoil at the moment. we talk about syria and qatar. and some other countries as well. presumably you had in th

another ukrainian oligarch. he's close to putin. he's one putin allowed to control the aluminum market. he is also the person who reportedly, according to the ap signed paul manafort to a $10 million a year contract for manafort to promote the interest of vladimir putin and the government in countries around the world, including the united states. they're also known to have gone in together on several big investments, including a ukrainian tv concern that they called black sea cable. it's funny even when you're talking about big corrupt bills and people who are trying to fix the system and rig the system. it's funny even in those circumstances things do sometimes still fall apart. i mean paul manafort did get paid millions of dollars from somewhere for his work on behalf of the pro putin political party, that is money he took home. we know that because he declared it formally to the u.s. government now, while investigators are breathing down his neck his glasses are fogged up and he can't see forward. so he did make dollars doing th

ukrainians now in reaction to russian aggression have moved decisively to support the ukrainian statend a call for integration with europe, at least culturally down a better standard of living. host: american foreign-policy counsel's herman pirchner talks about going to ukraine. he visited it more than 65 times, the region of the former soviet union, as well as china annually since 1994. we are talking about the president's g-20's summit. looking at the summit in general, what are your measures for a successful trip for president trump? what are you looking for? guest: you can't build it entirely around russia. what was done in poland was good. what was done with other countries involved in the three c's initiative was good. trade questions, it was good to be raised. we can to frame it in terms of putin and trump. there are 19 countries, plus the e.u., and there were many sidebar conversations over a variety of topics in a country as big as united they test to address. host: some reports made it seem and trumpre the g-19 on opposite sides on issues, including trade. the new york times

listen, he's right about the ukrainian deal.ainians did want to influence the election and hurt trump. they wanted to help hillary clinton. the hillary clinton campaign i'm sure was very happy to get any help they could from the ukrainians. do they make the optics look any better? it doesn't but this is a big nothing. the story goes nowhere. it keeps us one news cycle away from focusing on what most americans want us to focus on. >> bret: mara, your thoughts. remembering the meetings, recanting, re-characterizing. >> i don't understand why so many people in the trump administration keep on forgetting they met with the russians. i don't get it. whether it is jeff sessions, jared kushner, now donald trump, jr. they all seem to forget that they met with the russians or they don't disclose it when they are required to. jared kushner has amended his forms and he's disclosed meetings. three times. donald trump, jr. originally said this was a meeting about adoption then later he says she offered some negative information on hillary cli

this unexploded rocket detonated by ukrainian troops.im humour here, the bullet placed next to the bible. this army is hardened now, after three years of war. bolstered by local soldiers, whose homes lie beyond the bridge where the territory of the russian—backed forces begins. so that big building to the left is them? the trenches of a european war, with a front line more than 400 kilometres long. the ceasefire allows men to dig close to rebel lines. there is some protection, but it is not a place to stand tall and draw attention. we are at the furthest point forward now, in the ukrainian positions, and these trenches are just a0 — between a0 and 50 yards from the russian—backed forces on the other side, just over a wall here. that is why nobody speaks loudly in this place, and you can get a sense of how precarious it is by looking at the sniper who is positioned here. and he is scanning, he is watching for any movement on the other side that would threaten the men digging these trenches. what does all this tell you? it tells you it is

explain what happened between the ukrainians and the democrats. >> well, essentially, what you had wasdemocratic national committee, her name was alexandra, i think, if i'm saying it correctly, and she was someone who was a europe ukrainian-american activist who was doing some outreach with ukraine-american voters for the dnc. now she, in a sense, kind of started researching on her own some of the ties that she thought were between the trump campaign, particularly paul manafort, the then-campaign chairman, and his work with former ukrainian president viktor janakovich. she started sharing it a little bit with the clinton campaign. the way the clinton campaign and the dnc described it is it was never a kind of full briefing or a full paper, but she certainly was passing along her observations and her research to the dnc. now, nothing ever really came of it, but certainly the trump campaign is saying that while, you know, there's a lot of furor over the russian involvement in the election, it does seem as if the ukrainian government had some interest. and i mean, this woman, this dnc con

cooperating very actively, the dnc was cooperatively quite actively with the ukrainian government ono develop information that in fact did perhaps have some harmful effect on the trump campaign. >> doesn't that come under research if that were -- >> well both sides do opposition research, alex, and if we apply that definition to one and apply it to the other. in terms of having actionable information, actual, if you read the accounts that are coming out every day there's, you know, drip, drip, drip or gush, gush, gush about the dnc and the clinton campaign and the ukrainians. there is definitely cooperation there. >> jonathan go ahead. >> with all due respect, ukraine is an ally of the united states. russia is an adversary of the united states. the connections between the democratic party and the ukrainians was an effort to learn what information they had on the russians intervening in our election. the ukrainians were not attempting to intervene in our election. >> no, yes, they were. >> they were trying to expose what was going on with russia which has been value dated by all these

this unexploded rocket detonated by ukrainian troops. there is a grim humor here. the bullet placed next to the bible. this army is hardened now after three years of war. bolstered by local soldiers whose homes lie beyond the bridge where the territory of the russian backed forces begins. the big building to the lef. his name. but the model has to do les. his book on my bubbles could you wish come way too but it give. this list religiously digital display of market. the huntress those prisoners firm will come. the question is what. the trenches of the european war. with a front line more than four hundred kilometers lon. the ceasefire allows men to take close to rebel lines. there's some protection. but it's not a place to stand tall and draw attention with the furthest point forward now ukrainian positions in these. trenche. are just forty between forty and fifty yards from the russian backed forces on the other side just over a wall here. that's why nobody speaks loudly in this place and you can get a sense of how precarious as his wife. looking. a sniper. whose

but the article goes on and says, the ukrainian efforts had an impact in the race. helping to force manafort's resignation and advancing the narrative that trump -- the trump campaign was deeply connected to ukraine yass vote to the east russia. but they were far less converted -- concerted or centrally connected than russia's hack of democratic emails. so they go on and try to do what they can to help salvage some respect for the democrats here. t there's a little effort -- there's little evidence of such a top-down effort by ukraine. but the fact is, ukraine did collude with hillary clinton's campaign and they were successful in helping the trump campaign. manafort had to be fired and they still are trying to create clouds surrounding that. anyway, how about that. well, it leads to one conclusion. and that is that it's part of he evidence that we have got to have an independent counsel. and i don't mean robert mueller. i'm talking about an independent counsel. not one that's boss om buddies with -- bossom buddys with comey, and not one that can't stand trump. and

we do know what happened with the dnc and the ukrainians. >> no, we don't.pen the way you said it. >> we know what happened. >> then tell me how it did happen. >> there's no evidence that anything on behalf of the dnc or clinton campaign happened. the clinton campaign has repeatedly said -- >> it's not apples to apples. it doesn't mean what happened with the ukrainians isn't also some type of fruit. it may be a cherry or cranberry, but this consultant to the dnc, according to politico, did have interaction with the ukrainians. it's just at a different -- >> isn't that a red herring, no pun intended. >> interaction, there was solicitation and coordination. >> the ukraine a hostile world power to the u.s.? >> it doesn't have anything to do with the alleged coordination or collusion wean the trump campaign and russia. >> john, this goes to the whole double standard. >> you're saying two things. you're saying coordination did happen, but the democrats did it, too, which is absolutely contradictory in and of itself, in and of itself. >> no, it's not. not at all.

was involved in the ukrainian politics by having back to the revolution that removed the duly elected president of the ukraine and installed a president that was for america a few years back. this is what is really causing a lot of problems. mr. o'hanlon sort of brushes that over. you make a valid point about the origins of the crisis being complicated. indeed there was a ukrainian president extremely popular with his own people largely because he was seen as doing russian bidding who presided over a complete deterioration of the russian economy would lead to very brave protests by the ukrainian people in the middle of winter back in 2013. then that did lead to the deal which was then violated by the opposition and then did drive the former president out, but he was involved. the u.s. did not do that, we supported the peaceful protesters publicly, we did not do it through covert means and i'm proud of u.s. supported those protesters because they had a valid point against iran president. vladimir putin at least would read this much differently and would say the u.s. was trying to bring

nothing will be done until the ukrainian and syrian problems are solved. what would you tell the president? guest: first of all, thanks for watching. secondly, i think he is right, that we will have to go forward with solutions. i think his administration has done a good job of underscoring with ambassador haley, secretary tillerson, and others that we could not have business as usual or lifting of sanctions until russia gets out of ukraine. they have been saying that for months. i think there has been clarity on that. i'm glad to hear further clarity this morning. i think that is the right way to think about it. but we also will not imagine a way for russia to get out of ukraine unless we rethink the security architecture in eastern europe. if russia thinks we are going to bring ukraine into nato, russia will want some way to stop that, some way to meddle so ukraine is two week and divided to keep that from happening. that is why we have to negotiate a neutral zone and eastern europe. host: let's go to richard in florida on the republican line. good morni

it's to try to reassure the ukrainians. he has also brought along with him a newly appointed u.s. envoy to deal with the ukrainian conflict a man who is an ambassador to the nato military alliance. >> what is the reaction in moscow to the g-20 summit and from president putin about his meeting with president trump? >> reporter: i think the russians are delighted. you had a lot of top lawmakers coming here with positive statements calling this a breakthrough. russian state media saying the bilateral meeting the two hour and 18 minute meeting between trump and putin clips the summit. president putin who came out in front of the cameras yesterday and joked with journalists looks very happy. he had some pretty interesting observations. he said essentially the trump we see on tv is not the trump that he met in person. he said that the u.s. president listens to questions, answers logically, is a very good interlockutor. this ends face-to-face meetings between the russians and u.s. presidents. they succeeded in talking about a local cease-fire in a corner of syria. also president putin wa

this unexploded rocket detonated by ukrainian troops. there is a grim humour here.ed now. after three years of war. bolstered by local soldiers whose homes lie beyond the bridge where the territory of the russian backed forces begins. so that big building to the left is them? the trenches of a european war with a front line more than 400 kilometres long. the ceasefire allows men to dig close to rebel lines. there is some protection, but it is not a place to stand tall and draw attention. we are at the furthest point forward now in the ukrainian positions and these trenches are just between a0 and 50 yards from the russian backed forces on the other side, just over a wall here. that's why nobody speaks loudly in this place. you can get a sense of how precarious it is by looking at the sniper who is positioned here. he is scanning, he is watching for any movement on the other side that would threaten the men digging these trenches. what does all this tell you? it tells you it is about permanence, that this war has ground into a stalemate. and that means untold sufferi

but a violation of international law our ukrainian neighbors after the coup de. in kiev. they said that the russians should be put out of crimea because the russian people could not think like the ukrainian people think and the parliament they created after the coup d'etat well they even adopted a law limiting dress tickler limiting the rise of the russian speaking people well it wasn't implemented but still we saw the entire nation that was their first decision to discuss and to present such an initiative well we don't forget that and don't you should not forget that those who are called terrorists in ukraine they never attacked anyone of the just said we did not accept that coup d'etat leave us alone we want to understand how to leave further and what is going to happen in kiev we just want to see that in return they just call them terrorists and they proclaimed launching an anti-terrorist operation they at tag those people and they that was in circumvention of the. constitution in crimea the supreme council. decided to call the referendum and it was all started when th