of the roc branch in ukraine, and well, we understand that we are talking about a church that has a long history of cooperation with the russian orthodox church, this is the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate, and what can prevent... ukrainians from getting rid of this church? i think that we are facing a long period of such certain uncertainty, that is, the law puts an end to the questions of legal entities, that is, these communities, questions of ownership, but about which... which way these religious organizations, these priests, and their parishioners will go, for now we can only predict, study the options, and it is clear that this process will be accompanied by some new decisions that are no longer within the scope of ukrainian legislation, i.e. no longer within the competence. of the verkhovna rada, for example, but in the competence of other decision-making centers, let's say this, recently this story appeared on the agenda, and they started talking about it about an attempt to get a second tomos, for example, another one appeared parallel to this, but already a very... persistent appeal of metropolitan epiphany of kyiv, the head of the orthodox church in ukraine, to metropolitan

communication with a religious center in the country of the aggressor, that is, the state is telling the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate, stop being the moscow patriarchate in ukraine, become ukrainian the orthodox church, and the continuation of this topic, probably a story with a dialogue. the orthodox church of ukraine is open to dialogue with the ukrainian orthodox church. church, i think that it is the ukrainian part or ukrainianness, which, which, hypothetically, we still hope for its presence within the uoc of the moscow patriarchate, it should respond, yes, it should start a movement, in the dialogue regarding the unity of the ukrainian orthodox church . i do not know about joint service to the ukrainian people, about joint service... to wounded widows, children, that is, regarding the common prayer for the victory of ukraine and for the fact that in the end there will be a just peace in ukraine and in the world. this is a request, that is, it is not a negotiation with the moscow patriarchate. the moscow patriarchate, as well as moscow political or business structures, should cease to exist in ukraine, and this

of the russian orthodox church in ukraine, and we understand that we are talking about a church that has a long history of cooperation with the russian orthodox church, it is the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchateder ukrainians get rid of this church. i think we're in for a long period of that kind of uncertainty, that is, the law puts an end to the issues of legal entities, i.e. these communities, issues of property, but about which, which way these, religious organizations, these... priests and their parishioners will go, we can so far only predict, study the options, and obviously, that this process will be accompanied by some new decisions that are no longer within the scope of ukrainian legislation, that is, no longer within the competence of the verkhovna rada, for example, but within the competence of others. centers of decision-making, let's say, recently this story appeared on the agenda, and they started talking about it talk about an attempt to get a second tomos, for example, er, parallel to this , another, but already such a very persistent appeal by metropolitan epiphanius of kyiv appeared. head of the orthodox church in ukraine to metropolitan onufry with a call for unconditional

before the adoption of this law in ukraine, the primate of the orthodox church of ukraine, epiphany , appealed to metropolitan onufry, the primate of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchatelievers of this church with a call for a dialogue about unity. did anyone respond to the call and what will happen to the clergy and congregation of the ukrainian orthodox church? my colleague bohdan logunov talked about this with ankhendrite abraham lotysh, vicar of the holy assumption kyiv pechersk lavra, who himself... came from the uocp to the orthodox church of ukraine in 2023. let's listen. what will the orthodox church of ukraine do, what will happen to the dioceses, uoc, mp during the next nine months? the law will enter into force in almost a month. the government gives the opportunity for nine months to make up your own mind. of the moscow patriarchate, where they should be, although there was enough time for them to decide long ago, we understand that these people, unfortunately, they still show their position, support for the moscow patriarchate, but this decision will be up to them, and i am sure that in nine months everything will be normalized in the church as well. life

the reaction of putin, who always counted on to the russian orthodox church, well, to the branch of the russian orthodox church in ukraine, now it is called the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate, will they somehow manage to maintain their influence in some parishes, can they rename some, well, create some church, name it there, relatively speaking ... there is a ukrainian church there and leave your connections and family like that. well , first of all, you are right, religion in the concept of the russian world plays one of such prominent places, in particular in documents, by the way , the russian world is clearly spelled out in regulations, orders, in particular of the president of the russian federation, and unfortunately, we remember, it was precisely because of the spread of this russian peace that the creation began in the 14th year under the pretext of protecting people who profess the russian peace and the russian language from each other from such factors. and ending on the 22nd the beginning of the great invasion, so you are right, i really doubt very much that it will just fall apart, more than that , and if we say the uoc, very often, by the way, the judicial bra

ukrainians and russians. what do you think the reaction of putin, who always counted on the roc, well on ... the goal of the russian orthodox church in ukraine, now it is called the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate, will they somehow manage to preserve their influence on some parishes, can they rename some, well, create some church there, call it, conventionally speaking, the ukrainian church there and leave their connections and theirs here. well, first of all, you are right, religion in the concept of the russian world plays one of such important places, in particular in documents, by the way, the russian world is clearly spelled out in the decrees and orders, in particular of the president of the russian federation, and unfortunately , we remember precisely due to the spread of this russian measure, a second one began in the 14th year under the pretext of protecting such people who profess russian peace and... language is one of those factors and ending with 202 the start of the big invasion so you're right, i really highly doubt it's just about... moreover, there will be more than the other way around and if we 're talking the uoc, very often, by the way, the judicial branch of the governmen

very beginning from the first days of its existence the ukrainian state began to spur a schism in orthodoxy in the end all hopes of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchatey the way, from this prefix always... in reality the ukrainian state, having joined western civilization, is in a state of quite conscious god-fighting, it consciously fights christianity. it wants to destroy christianity, it wants to first replace it with some clowns, so say, circus performers and scoundrels, and then destroy them completely, this is what the ukrainian priests, the ukrainian orthodox church did not want to notice, or rather they noticed, but they said okay, okay, we will figure it out , after all, we are canonical, they will be with us, like why ban us, after all, look, we have such a large flock, supporters, this will save us, this will not save you, because you do not understand who you are dealing with. and what is the real goal, still, when, so to speak, all these processes began, yes, i said, in that including here on your site, an attempt to persuade or arouse pity for the ukrainian state on the part of the priesthood of the ukrainian orthodox church, this is st

orthodox sect, mr. general, simultaneously with the adoption of the law by the ukrainian parliament, the security service of ukraine will inform... that 100 criminal cases against priests or proceedings against priests of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate for during the great war in ukraine was violated on the scale of the country and on the scale of the situation in which we are now, that is, in a war situation, is it a lot or a little? i think that it is not enough, because it is extremely much there is... information that they just didn't have time to implement, here are 100, 100 cases, these are already such blatant facts that simply could not be hidden, and they were documented both by the security service and by citizens who simply saw it on their own eyes, or have heard there, for example, yes, there is some propaganda there, i just want to explain to our citizens that the vast majority of priests of the moscow patriarchate... who are in ukraine, they consider their activities to be so religious and that there really is something vocation to some pastoral e there are so many activities, it's partly and the vast majority is a business, and when you can't legally fix this business and you can't make money, then a lot of them will

orthodox sect, mr. general, at the same time from the decree... of the ukrainian law parliament, the security service of ukraine reported that 100 criminal cases against priests or proceedings against priests of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchatet war in ukraine were initiated, on the scale of the country and on the scale of the situation in which, in which we are now , that is, in a war situation, is it a lot or a little? i think that it is not enough, because there is an extremely large amount of information that they simply did not have time to implement, there are 100, 100 of you here. cases, these are already such glaring facts, which simply could not be hidden, and they were documented both by the security service and by citizens who simply saw it with their own eyes, or heard there, for example, some propaganda there, i just want to explain to our citizens that in the vast majority the priests of the moscow patriarchate who are in ukraine, they consider their activities to be so religious and somehow... really called to some kind of pastoral activity, so partly it is mostly business, and when you are not if you can legally fix this business and you won't be able to make money, then a lot of them will start looking for a

always counted on the russian orthodox church, well , on the branch of the russian orthodox church in ukraine, now it is called the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate, will they manage in some way to maintain their influence on some... it comes , can they rename some, well, create some church there call it conventionally speaking the ukrainian church there and leave your eyes in your ties and your bathing suit, yes , first of all, you are right, religion in the concept of the russian world plays one of these educational places, in particular, in the documents, by the way, the russian measure is clearly spelled out in the decrees, orders, in particular of the president of the russian federation, and unfortunately we remember that it was due to the spread of this russian measure that the creation of the russian measure began in the 14th year under the pretext of protecting people who profess russian peace and the russian the language is one of those factors and ending with the 22nd beginning of the great invasion, so you are right, i really have a big ... doubt that it will just fall apart, moreover, it will be more than the opposite, and if we are t

of the law by the ukrainian parliament, the security service of ukraine informed about... the fact that 100 criminal cases against priests or proceedings against priests of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchateing the great war in ukraine were initiated on the scale of the country and on the scale of the situation in which we are now, that is, in the situation of war , is it a lot or a little? i think not enough because there is so much information out there. which they simply did not have time to implement, there are 100, 100 cases, these are already such glaring facts that simply could not be hidden, and they were documented both by the security service and by citizens who simply saw it with their own eyes or heard it there, for example, yes, there is some propaganda there, i just want to explain to our citizens that the vast majority are priests of the moscow patriarchate who... stay in ukraine , they consider their activity to be not so much religious and somehow called to some kind of pastoral activity, so much so that in part it is in the vast majority - it is a business, and when you cannot legally record this business and cannot earn money, then a lot of them will begin to look for a

the cover is already underway for raider seizures of churches. about the new round of persecution in the material of zinaida kurbatova. they have been trying to ban the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchaten ukraine for a long time. on the one hand, any institution associated with genuine christian values. a priori, an enemy. the second point is purely economic. raider seizures of monasteries, the imposition of their pocket church, the ocu. in the municipal assembly of kiev, the issue of the destruction of more than 100 temple complexes on the territory of kiev. why? because for the petseshniks, this quasi-structure, which was created as a kind of counterweight to the real orthodox church in ukraine, is not so much a priest. recently , the authorities even reprimanded metropolitan raskolnik epifaniy: "they say, submit a bright result." believers are not eager to become parishioners of the ocu. the other day, the lawyer of the canonical ukrainian orthodox church, robert amsterdam, stated that the authorities have developed a plan for the actual liquidation of the uoc. they have already compiled a list, 40 clergy are going to arrest and throw behind bars, formally for ties to moscow. at th

orthodox church were not invited to the last meeting speaks of freedom and democracy in kiev. quite expectedly, representatives of different confessions unanimously spoke out in favor of banning the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate the independent. why are catholics against, it is clear, they need to oust them. at this sabbath it simply shines, on it the greek camelavka, because the ocu is subordinate to the patriarchate of constantinople. to us it is necessary to testify to our common position, to support our state in the desire to protect the spiritual space of ukraine from the aggression of the russian world. mr. president, i call upon god's blessing for all good deeds that. freedoms and those religious organizations that exist in ukraine, regarding which there are suspicions of cooperation with the russian orthodox church, a corresponding examination will be carried out, and the experts will say whether there are signs of affiliation, if these signs are there, then a decision will be submitted to terminate activities of these organizations, public organizations have also joined in, they are literally competing to see who will speak out against canonical orthodoxy in ukraine earlier and more harshly, the sect

of the canonical orthodox church were not invited to the latest meeting. quite expectedly, representatives of different confessions unanimously spoke out in favor of banning the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchateendent. why are catholics against it, it is clear, they need to oust orthodoxy as such from ukraine in order to lure the flock to themselves. epiphanius, the head of the schismatic orthodox church of ukraine, simply shines at this sabbath, the greek... and the experts will say: are there any signs of affiliation? if there are such signs, then a decision will be submitted to terminate activities of these organizations. public organizations have also reached out, they are literally competing to see who will speak out against canonical orthodoxy in ukraine earlier and more harshly. the sectarian ocu assumes that it will attract orthodox believers to itself, but so far this is not working out well. the ocu does not have a large flock. there are not enough priests in the greek comelavoks. orthodox churches have already begun to close. without ivan, eh, what started, without deception, without flint, the villain has imprisoned me in flint, self-written pen, magic ink, you will get it, you, v

of the roman era, into an underground existence, already now the security agencies of ukraine have announced that investigative actions are being carried out against 100 clergymen of the canonical ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate, criminal cases have been initiated. the majority of them, in my opinion, 26, have already been convicted, and after the adoption of this law, the number of convicted, the number of persecuted, thrown into prison, increases much, much more, i think that it will no longer be counted in hundreds, but in thousands. father andrey, and what do you think, could this lead to a heated conflict in literally a clash among believers or believers and security forces? i think it's practically. possible, just as, for example, you know, demonstrations were impossible in smolensk occupied by the nazis in 1943, the repressive machine has all the means to suppress any discontent, it will simply physically destroy any person who even thinks about contacting someone about organizing a protest, the only thing is that a hot conflict is already underway, and this is our special military operation, sword, russian army, there is no other way. father andrey, and how should priests behave who want to preserve t

of this decision, how would you comment ? absolutely monstrous, has nothing in common with human morality, with the spiritual foundations of any person, regardless of his religion. the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate has always been for peace, has always been for normal cooperation between people. for good, for light, for truth, it is hard, hard when looting monasteries, arresting , torturing, holding in prison representatives of the clergy, forbidding people to pray in the churches where they grew up, which are sacred and truly holy places for them, holy temples, all this once again proves the monstrosity, the inability to negotiate of the kiev regime and those who stand behind it, and the need to win a holy and noble victory, which is the main meaning, far beyond the territory of the meaning of today, well, you have already mentioned the attacks of the kiev regime on territory. yes, there is not enough water, so those requests that come to us, we immediately acquire, immediately send, this also concerns special tasks, purely military purposes, these are drones, and much, much more, which our people need at the front in order to survive, in order to win, therefore today, i emphasize once again, o

the verkhovna rada of ukraine recently approved a ban on the activities of the canonical ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate, now the uoc has 9 months to break ties with the roc, and the eparchy of parishes to leave its composition. for ukrainian officials, this is a profitable business. the property of the uoc must pass into the hands of the state, after which it will be transferred to the ocu, and the ocu. russia, that is, the task of the curators from washington has been completed, this is done in order to ... in order to attack christianity in general throughout the world, this the schism openly supported the legalization of drugs in ukraine, it quite openly trains propagandists of sodomy in special courses, i am not exaggerating, for example, it was in the courses of chaplains, where open sodomites preached their lgbt ideology, banned in russia. in ukraine today there are at least seventy major religious sects, the adherents of which sponsor the armed forces of ukraine and have been imposing nazi ideology for several decades. for example, the second largest sect by the number of participants , the emba

in their churches , and - for a long time it was all perceived as, well, this is the choice of the people, we have such and such a church, the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate and... even a full-scale invasion of a thousand killed ukrainians, killed priests, by the way, the blessing of the moscow church, the weapons with which ukrainians were killed, all this did not immediately give rise to a decision to ban this church in ukraine, why it took so long for all this not to develop, why they could not simply put an end to it, and besides, in your opinion, people... who have gotten rid of or will get rid of this moscow word, they will be tormented by its absence for a long time, as they say, or if they want god, they will come to you, to epiphany, to other priests, and will listen to the word god, everything will be fine, you see, the spiritual enslavement of ukraine began immediately, since the russian empire began step by step. to colonize the territory of ukraine, starting from the 17th century. the history of our church here is a vivid example: step by step, as soon as russia, the russian empire annexed new ukrainian lands, it began to destroy our church,

ukrainians and russians. what do you think the reaction of putin, who always counted on the roc , well, to the branch of the russian orthodox church in ukraine, now it is called the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow... patriarchate, will they somehow manage to maintain their influence on some regions, can they rename some, well, create some church, name it there, conditionally speaking, the ukrainian church is there and they should leave their connections there, so first of all , you are right. in the concept of the russian world , it plays one of these important places, in particular in documents, by the way, the russian world is clearly spelled out in resolutions, orders, in particular of the president of the russian federation, and unfortunately, we remember, it was because of the spread of this russian world that the second in the 14th year under the pretext of protecting, yes, people who profess the russian peace, and the russian language is one of these factors and ending with the 22nd. the beginning of the great invasion, so you're right, i really doubt it's going to just fall in love, more than the other way around, and if we're talking. in the uoc, very often, by the way, the judicial branch of governme

simply in their churches, and for a long time all this was perceived as, well, this is the choice of the people, we have such a church, the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate, and even a full-scale invasion of thousands... killed ukrainians, killed priests, by the way, the blessing of the moscow church, the weapons with which ukrainians were killed, all this did not immediately give rise to a decision to ban this church in ukraine, why could all this not be born for so long, why couldn't they just put an end to it, and before that, in your opinion, people who have gotten rid of or will get rid of this... moscow word will torment them for a long time, as they say, its absence, or they, if they want god, they will come to you, to epiphanius, to others priests, and they will listen to the word of god, everything will be fine. well, you see, the spiritual enslavement of ukraine began immediately when the russian empire began to colonize step by step. of ukraine.

simply in their churches, and for a long time it was all perceived as, well, this is the choice of the people, we have such a church, the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchated even a full-scale invasion of a thousand killed ukrainians, killed priests, by the way. the blessing of the moscow church, the weapons with which ukrainians were killed, all this did not immediately lead to the decision to ban this church in ukraine, why did it take so long for all this not to be born, why not could just unequivocally put a full stop, and before that, in your opinion, people who have gotten rid of or will get rid of this moscow word, they will be tormented by it for a long time, as they say, from... the essence, or they, if they want god, they will come to you, to epiphanius, to other clergymen, and listen to the word of god, everything will be fine, well, you see, the spiritual enslavement of ukraine began immediately, from when the russian empire began to colonize the territory of ukraine step by step, starting from ... from the 17th century. the history of our church is here vivid example. uh, step by step, as soon as russia, the russian empire annexed new ukraini

the activities of religious organizations connected with russia, what will happen in the future, in what way these parishioners and parishes will transfer from the ukrainian orthodox church, will the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchateo prove, that it has nothing to do with russia? we will talk about all this in the first part of our program, starting from 20:00 at 21:15 we will have two political experts, serhii taran and viktor boberenko. viktor bobarenko, you know a political expert well, who , by the way, lives in sumy, and i think that he can definitely tell us about the situation in the north-east of ukraine, in particular in sumy, because... the region is one of those regions that for a long time time was under fire from the russians and the sumy community, sumy district, that is to say, other communities were also under attack, about what the kurdish operation looks like now, what ukraine will gain and lose as a result, we will talk about this with serhii taran and viktor boberenko , well of course, we will mention how and in what way... ukraine will implement the provisions of the rome statute, today the verkhovna rada of ukraine ratified the rome statute, a document that regulates the activities of the int

the personal representative of putin in this rate , oleksii dyumin. to stop, quell the ukrainian offensive in the kursk region. mr. ivan, let's discuss this further, the metropolitan of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchatewhich calls itself simply the uoc, it is also called a branch of the russian orthodox church in ukraine, roc, in ukraine called yesterday's bill, which has now become a law, the communist past, because it is the attempt to... ban the church, the question really is how timely this bill is, whether it does not divide society more than it unites, and also whether it will be possible to bring it to a personal conclusion, let it be through this transitional period of six months, will this church in reality succeed in banning, no no not the church, but let's put it this way, will this russian influence through this church succeed in being banned, so see, my personal opinion on this matter : this is a question, it's not something that is relevant, i don't know, there were the first months of the invasion, the president should have done it, of course, this is the parliament, it's difficult, but somehow it got delayed, by the way, this... draft law, he passed after the last one reading for a ye

the verkhovna rada of ukraine recently approved. before the activities of the canonical ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchateuoc has 9 months to break ties with the roc, and the eparchy of parishes to leave its composition. for ukrainian officials, these are profitable businessmen. the property of the uoc should pass into the hands of the state, after which it will be transferred to the ocu, and the ocu is a pocket organization, and how much will settle in the pockets, one can only guess. plus the ban on the uoc - this is a severance of the remaining ties with russia, that is, the task of the curators from washington has been completed. this was done in order to attack christianity in general throughout the world, this schism openly supported the legalization of drugs in ukraine, it quite openly trains propagandists of sodomy in special courses, i am not exaggerating, for example, this was on chaplain courses, where open sodomites preached their lgbt ideology, banned in russia, in ukraine today there are no less than seven. ten large religious sects, whose adherents sponsor the armed forces of ukraine and no

is the actual prohibition of the russian orthodox church, it is mandatory, and here the two components are interconnected: the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate orthodox the church in ukraine, it is the largest part of the russian orthodox church, it is the diamond in kiril gundyaev's tiara, and it must be understood that we should nationalize or secularize this diamond, as you wish, simply. a lot of ukrainian parliamentarians, as it turns out, are afraid of amsterdam, not a city in the netherlands, but such a canadian lawyer, you know, who promises them various sanctions, well, it is from the submission of individual, as they are called, dechurched businessmen who appropriately protect their interests in the russian orthodox church, in ukraine. this is the time, as far as the faithful are concerned, they are all completely different, definitely different, and a discussion is needed here, i think, with the participation of the all-ukrainian council of churches and religious organizations, i think that there should be certain shifts and certain help from the state in becoming orthodox. the church of ukraine as a local church, perhaps to this o

the verkhovna rada of ukraine recently approved a ban on the activities of the canonical ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate uoc has 9 months to break ties with the roc, and the diocese of parishes to leave its composition. for ukrainian officials, these are profitable businessmen. the property of the uoc should be transferred to the state, after which it will be transferred to the ocu. ideology banned in russia. in ukraine today there are at least seventy major religious sects, whose adherents sponsor the armed forces of ukraine, and for several decades have been imposing nazi ideology. for example, the second largest sect by number of participants, the embassy of god, ensured the mass participation at that very kiev maidan in 2014. at the same time , there were up to 1,400 people on the square . who is this? this is lucifer, this is satan, who imagined himself to be god. therefore, of course, they are looking for an alternative in satanism. the remaining population of ukraine is extremely dissatisfied with what is happening. war, devastation, rising prices, therefore. propaganda through cults of cleansing

are actively working in our area and have actually led to the fact that the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate but nevertheless, well, it was at least some kind of structure in our composition, now it is banned there, i cannot understand why in conditions when this so-called ecumenical patriarch is subordinated there, in my opinion, to 5 million people, of which 3 million live in north america. uh, he is actually an employee government bodies of the turkish republic, when yes i understand at the time, when constantinople, the center of byzantium, the center of, as people then thought of the roman empire, no questions, everything is clear, why today it is how is it connected at all, not even the capital of turkey at the moment, in fact it is not even in constantinople, yes this is istanbul a person lives, yes he lives about some district of istanbul such a small, yes i can not understand the reason. for which the ecumenical patriarch should not be the patriarch of moscow of all russia, for me it is it is not clear at all, today the majority of orthodox countries, the overwhelming majority, are

of the draft law next week in the second reading on the ban on the activities of religious organizations. related to the russian federation, or simply speaking, about the banning of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate, this decision must be adopted that's about it, i understand, and today the people's deputy of ukraine mykola knyazhytskyi announced on his facebook that the final decision regarding the wording of this law was made today at the parliamentary committee on humanitarian policy, and actually. we are interested in what will be in this law in the final version, we will talk about it, in particular with volodymyr tsibulek. with our journalists, with my colleagues olga len and bohdan butkevich, we will discuss the topic of corruption and bribery in the ukrainian government, starting from the head, former head of the donetsk regional military civil administration or military administration, pavlo kyrylenka, who... is accused of having illegally enriched himself by the amount of uah 56 million, bought apartments, cars and so on, and now the law enforcement officers of the anti-corruption bodies have a question for kyrylenk, why it happens that during the war some donate to the army, while othe

they have been trying to ban the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate in ukraine for ng time. on the one hand, any institution associated with genuine christian values, an a priori enemy. the second point, purely economic, raider seizures of monasteries, the imposition of their pocket church, the ocu. in the municipal assembly of kiev, to decide the issue of destroying more than 100 temple complexes on the territory of kiev. why? those who opposed the canonical orthodox church, to create a single ocu. metropolitan epiphanius became the head. more than seventy parishes went over to the ocu, as a rule, under pressure. with the support of the authorities, the treasury of the canonical church was completely under the jurisdiction of the ocu. it also controls the st. vladimir cathedral in kiev and the kiev-pechersk lavra. the black market of icons is filled with images stolen from captured churches. for several years, the ukrainian orthodox church has been collecting all the materials on the arson. temples on the looting, and regularly these documents are presented to the u

kurshchyna, this is in this direction, so i always want to ask really hierarchs of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchatecheckers or go? if you need real grace, real communication with world orthodoxy, and you have such a political situation here, but the church with which you had a canonical connection, it turned out to be a supporter of war, well, from your point of view, it probably has sacraments , grace, all this is, but, but, the problem is that this church supports the destruction of your flock, well, such a moment is historical, but here is the great world orthodoxy, nearby, patriarch of constantinople. which gave it to the second rome, that is, instead of aiming at the third rome, turn to the second rome, to constantinople, or to the first rome, so the ferraro-florentine union, which was signed by the patriot of constantinople, that is, there are options, there are, but they do not want these options simply because they believe that without moscow there is no grace, no faith, no grace, no salvation, then the question arises in... where do they want to save themselves now, or after all, when will

one will be with you, the simple question is that when a large network of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchatetes in ukraine, and only now we have decided solution, and in 9 months we will deal with this network, and it also looks very strange, you know, on the one hand, you can say that everyone who has a smartphone and there is telegram is a criminal and supports russia, against the background of the fact that there is a live network that works in ukraine. and we say: no, well, we will give them a chance there, and then let them somehow figure out whether they are ukrainian orthodox or not ukrainian, although at the head of this orthodox church is a person who is a member of the holy synod of the russian orthodox church, well it's also some madness, sorry, because it's national safety, mr. sergius, mr. sergius, i certainly do not need to reproach that we did not fight enough against the russian orthodox church, but certainly not to me and not to my colleagues from the committee. but i want to emphasize that it is possible not to go to the moscow priests in the church, but to have a moscow ap

qr code is here, you scan it while we talk, and we will talk about the pro-ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate, which is affiliated structure to the russian orthodox church. anatoliy babynskyi, historian, religious scholar, lecturer at the ukrainian catholic university and employee of the uku church history institute is already in touch with us, mr. anatoliy, congratulations, congratulations, congratulations to the viewers of espresso, you know, i will certainly start with the fact that we today, for example, chernihiv oblast was included, and in chernihiv there is a local. er , the secretary of the russian orthodox church, which is called the ukrainian orthodox church, says that we will not change anything, because we are already very the pro-ukrainian church, they say that it is possible that onufriy will even leave the synod of the russian orthodox church, well, this is the maximum they can go to, and here it is simply a question of what we passed, we passed the law, but the law has a letter and a spirit this law itself. we definitely need to change this very russian spirit in this church,

of the authorities directly, and i only... i will say that he, in addition to everything else is also a subdeacon, it's like a subdeacon, a junior deacon of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchatein, somehow , he surprisingly learned the day before the case was opened that he would be wanted, well but here is the most important thing, let maybe this is really an excess of individual performers in certain areas, at certain levels of officials, well, but then these people must... uh, take responsibility for their own violation of the law, then society will say: yes, well, well, that is, we were here before let's move on to the shopping center, another hot topic, the odessa head of the tcc was there, and then there were other cities where they took tcc employees who took bribes, yes, but there was some kind of punishment, a person was detained in kyiv, this odesa man, who for 5 million bought a country house in spain, but it was, and people say, well, okay, they are bribers, these are their problems, but... there are cases, they are sitting on the bench in front of the courts, then that, and yes, there is no misunderstanding, the second topic that should be communicated correctly,

of the ecumenical patriarch and pope francis, because it is very important to know what...they think outside of ukraine regarding these nine months, according to which the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscowatriarchate must decide with whom it will continue to be, with the russian orthodox church or with the orthodox church of ukraine. all about this in a conversation with mykola knyazhytskyi. in addition, we will have a military expert, aviation expert bohdan dolintse, with whom we will discuss the topic of using the f6'. 16 when repelling a missile attack, a massive missile attack by the russian federation, zelensky said that for the first time these planes were used to shoot down missiles. that flew over the energy facilities of the ukrainian state, and zelenskyi boasted that we will now have a drone missile, which will be called the plianytsia and will fly deep into the russian federation, and the test passed, the first one is a ukrainian ballistic missile, it too should be put into production from here, a word about what flies and what can reach the russian federation, we will... talk with bohdan dolintse, in the third part of our program we will have mykola malomuzh, former head of

of the authorities directly, well, i will only say that, in addition to everything else, he is also a subdeacon. , it's like a subdeacon, younger a deacon of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchaterangely found out the day before it was violated. the case that they will be looking for him, well , the most important thing here is, let it be possible that it really is the excess of individual performers in certain areas, at certain levels of officials, well, but then these people must bear responsibility for their own, for violating the law, then society will say: yes, well, well, that is, i was there, now we are moving on to tsk, another hot topic, i was there the head of the odessa tsk, and then there would be other cities where... tsk employees who took bribes, and yes, there was some kind of punishment, a person was detained in kyiv , this odesa man, who bought a country house in spain for 5 million , well, it was, and people say, well, they are bribers, these are their problems, but there are cases, they are sitting on the dock , then that, well, there is no misunderstanding, the second topic that should be communicated correctly, that is, on an armed attack was committed on

at no one will be you, the simple question is that when a large network of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchates in ukraine, and only now have we made a decision, and in 9 months we will deal with this network, and it also looks very strange , you know, on the one hand, you can say that everyone who has a smartphone and there is telegram is a criminal and supports russia, despite the fact that there is a live network that works in ukraine, and we say, no, well, we will give them a chance there, but from there on, let them figure out somehow whether they are ukrainian orthodox aren't ukrainians, although there is a man at the head of this orthodox church, the holy synod of the russian orthodox church is included, well, this is also some kind of madness, i'm sorry, because national security, mr. serhiy, i certainly don't need to reproach that we didn't fight enough with the russian orthodox church, however, certainly not to me and not to my colleagues from the committee, i want to, but i want to, but i want to emphasize the fact that you can not go to the moscow priests in the church, but... have

in this direction, that is why i always want to ask the real hierarchy of the ukrainian orthodox church. of the moscow patriarchateckers or go? if you need real grace, real communication with world orthodoxy, and you have such a political situation here, well , the church with which you had a canonical connection, it turned out to be a supporter of war, well, from your point of view, it probably has sacraments , grace, all this is there, but, well, the problem is that you, this church supports the destruction of your flock, well, such a moment is historical, but here there is a big one... world orthodoxy is next to the patriarch of constantinople, who gave the tomos of your country, rome , that is, instead of aiming at the third rome, turn to the second rome, to constanto, or to the first rome, so ferraro, the florentine union, which was signed by the patriarch of constantinople, well , that is, there are options, there are, but they are these options don't want to, just because they are believe that without moscow there is no grace, no faith. there is no grace, there is no salvation, then the question arises, do

this is in this direction, so i always want to really ask the hierarchs of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchateor go, if you need real grace. real communication with world orthodoxy, and you too here is such a political situation, well, the church with which you had a canonical connection, it turned out to be a supporter of war, well , from your point of view, it probably has sacraments, grace, all this, but, well, the problem is that this church supports the destruction of your flock, well , such a moment is historical, but here is the great world orthodoxy, next to the patriarch of constantinople, who gave thomas to our country. do not want simply because they believe that without moscow there is no grace, no faith, no grace, no salvation, then there is question, where do they want to save themselves now? or after all, when neither patriarch kirill nor patriarch putin will be with them anymore? but here is an interesting moment, it is possible that a big global internal change will take place, well, i believe. to the fact that part of the clergy of the uocmp, yes, it will want to go, for exam

one will laugh at you, the simple question is that when a large network of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate operates in ukraine, and... we just now made a decision, and in 9 months we will deal with this network, and it also looks very strange, you know, on the one hand, you can say that everyone who has a smartphone and there is telegram is a criminal and supports russia, against the background of the fact that there is a live network that works in ukraine, and we say no , well, we will give them a chance there, and they will continue there let them somehow figure out whether they are ukrainian orthodox or not ukrainian, although at the head of this orthodox church in... but i want to emphasize that you can not go to the moscow priests in the church. but having a moscow app in your pocket, i don’t know what’s more dangerous, it’s a harsh truth of life, and you have to face it straight in the eyes, thank you, and we have to tell each other the truth, about the fact that in ukraine 80% of people are using a hostile, hostile product that is destroying our state and our country and our, our na

one will laugh at you the simple question is that when a large network of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchatetes in ukraine, and only...

laugh at you, the simple question is that when there is a large network of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchatend only now we made a decision, in 9 months we will deal with this network, and it also looks very strange, you know, on the one hand , you can say that everyone who has a smartphone and there is telegram is a criminal and supports russia, despite the fact that there is a live network that works in ukraine, and we say, no, we are there let's give them a chance, and then they'll somehow... get together, or not they are ukrainian orthodox, or not ukrainian, although the head of this orthodox church is a person who is a member of the holy synod of the russian orthodox church, well, this is also some madness, excuse me, because national security, mr. serhiy, i definitely don’t need it, right? to criticize that we did not fight the russian orthodox church enough, however, certainly not to me and not to my colleagues from the committee, but i want to, but i want to emphasize the fact that... it is possible not to go to the moscow priests in the church, but to have a moscow one apk in my pock

in a completely different way, whether or not it will be the same with the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate well, since there is no mention of this in the law, so we are talking about all organizations that can be affiliated with the russian federation in one way or another, well, it was different in the history of ukraine, there was also a communist party that disappeared, but we have to understand. that laws alone will not help matters here, of course, the verkhovna rada and ukrainian e-e officials must pass the right laws and make the right decisions so that those structures that work against the national interests of ukraine cannot operate in ukraine, and ukraine needs to separate where there are actually freedom of conscience, and where there is simply the activity of an enemy state, but the fundamental question is that... the voters should never vote for this again, never again vote for those people who literally for days in the verkhovna rada will continue to support this moscow yes the so-called church, but they will move on to other political projects, they can vote for them again,

tax those priests who were engaged in smuggling and were hiding under the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate, i think that this is exactly where we will put things in order, especially considering the reboot of the bep and the upcoming customs reform, well and in general, speaking honestly, i would take a closer look at... the tax benefits of these organizations, but first , let the specialized committee make a decision on their definition, and which the ukrainian parliament will vote on, believe me, with taxes we definitely won't leave. thank you, mr. rostislav and ms. yevgenia, then i will redirect the political part of this question regarding parishioners and priests regarding their choice, in what way they can choose the next church. they can be, of course, after your decision, literally at the request of 40 seconds each, mr. rossy, well, in fact, the whole question is this: the ukrainian orthodox church now pretends that it is not connected with the russian orthodox church, the law prohibits the russian orthodox church from operating on the territory of ukraine and of all related struct

involved in the committee, perhaps representatives came, unfortunately, this council of churches of ukraine, which, by the way, still includes the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchateoke out against this bill, they very strangely for some reason decided to choose as the main argument against, the argument that it will interfere with the demographic situation, will worsen the demographic situation, as if people who are now in homosexual relationships because of the rejection of this law i don't know, they will decide to try heterosexual relationships there, unfortunately, they use this argument all the time, although in most european countries, of course , the churches already support it and even. formalize such relations and we have literally one and a half minutes, but i will just be brief, because i think this topic will be discussed in the future, the minister of education and science of ukraine, and stated that in ukraine they plan to study, it is proposed to study the history of ukraine and the world history as a single subject, i.e. the history of ukraine and the history of the world, scientists oppose it, they collect signatures there, you think it's normal,

for you: right now , this brawl continues, continues around the so-called ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchatend of bill, later. there aren't enough votes, they can't put it on the agenda, you, you can even answer to yourself, ladies and gentlemen, why, well , it's as if it's already a common place, how to say that, well, everyone understands that they, well, there are good ones among them, probably priests, but there are those that we know are not good at all, but just espionage, and so on, and the whole nation already knows about it, in the verkhovna rada, what, what is the delay? what inhibits from your point of view? well, perhaps the realization that it is important not only what to do, but also how to do it, and it seems to me that the main disputes, debates, including in our verkhovna rada, are taking place about how to implement this, for example, there was recently an explanation from civil service for ethnopolitics and religious freedom des, regarding this bill, which from the very beginning was introduced and... the president, passed the first reading, then a lot was added to it, in

possible to tax those priests who engaged in smuggling and were covered by the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate, i think that this is precisely where we will put things in order, especially, taking into account the restart of the bep and the upcoming reform of the customs, well, in general, i would, to be honest , take a closer look at tax benefits from these organizations, but let's start with that the profile committee will still make a decision on their definition there, and what about... the votes of the ukrainian parliament, believe me, we will definitely not go away with taxes. thank you, mr. rostislav, and ms. evgenia, then i will redirect the political part of this question regarding parishioners and priests, regarding their choice, in what way they can choose the next church, where they can be. of course, after your decision, literally 40 seconds at a time, mr. rostislav. er, well, actually, the whole question is this: the uocp is now pretending that it is not connected with the russian orthodox church, the law prohibits the activities of the russian orthodox church on the territory of