you had to make hushing ulian -- hushing ulian efforts to spend time with riek machar. there? >> this is cyclical. in 1991 riek machar split away from john glang - essentially the main leader - pluning the company in 10 years of war fair. a lot of south sudan see an echo of 1991. you see that in the pronouncements. you see two people fighting over a rice bowl. there's no rice in the bowl. famine. >> no rice in the bowl, but they? >> sudan has about 38 billion barrels of oil which it can't seem to get out of the ground fast enough. there's an issue of corruption which i bring up in my interviews, in which he points out that the grain reserves were stolen by - he accuses elements of salva kiir's inner circle. >> the fighting has been horrendous, all sorts of human rights abuses. the latest truce allowing aid in, but the fighting is continuing. if it comes, you are reporting that there's not enough aid coming in because the world is not paying attention. >> yes. we have to be crystal clear about something. we are not on the verge of anything. the knewers control -- newers control