i gave my credentials to president umbeke but mandela had just stepped down as president. so i called on him and introduced myself and my reflections are not only as a giant of a man. physically he was tall, elegant, carried himself extremely well but he was also very gracious and very humble and my first time with him was just awesome. >> you worked in washington for years. you know what washington is like. what made nelson mandela such a great leader compared to a lack of leadership these days? >> i've known a lot of great leaders, he is probably at the top of the list, without question. there are a number of reasons, number one, his commitment to antiapartheid activities, the struggle against racial inequality, his compassion to bring others along to make this happen but his selflessness is probably one of the keys to his greatness. not only was he able to communicate with all races of people but he was able to get them to follow him and there is some talk that he talked about being a shepherd. he grew up in a small village in south africa and as a shepherd you lead fro

i can't criticize president umbeke and president zuma, who have come after mandela, it's a matter of change. the facts that nelson mandela guaranteed in fact why people would not be persecuted or treated as inferior which was a gracious and moral thing for him to do has tended to perpetual the wealthier people in their previous wealthier positions. >> for white south africans leaving does not make sense. they are as south african as black south africans. >> that's exactly right. i hope in the long term with andersoned education for everyone and with benevolent programs to boost people up that have practically nothing in their life, to give them distribution of wealthy in south africa, it is still a country that has enormous natural resources and enormous human resources in productive labor and that sort of thing and enormous potential. and my home is and my dream is and my prayer is that the ambitions of nelson mandela will be realized in the future. >> when you talked about rowe of rodesia into zimbabwe, that was something that a lot of white south south africans became afraid of, t

tabo umbeke succeeded mandela, yet he faced serious objection for not doing enough for fighting hiv.e has been charged with rape, racket eager and corruption but he has been cleared of those charges. his party seemed to crack from within. strike mine workers, killing dozens, it was the single most brutal operation since apartheid. the party was once the party of the people. mike hannah in johannesburg. >> in the void left by nelson mandela's death an awareness of challenges to come. the growing gap between rich and poor is the most brutal reminder that mandela's promise of a better life is still to be realized. >> i think challenge we have doesn't necessarily need mandela. it needs us in south africa to face the reality that if we don't do something very logical, the young are going to revolt. the if the rich become richer and the poor become poorer then the young people will revolt. >> the fault lines have become clear, the killing of 30 people at the mericana mine last year, clear that afternoon african national congress government has lost touch with those who put it in power. >>