i can't criticize president umbeke and president zuma, who have come after mandela, it's a matter of change. the facts that nelson mandela guaranteed in fact why people would not be persecuted or treated as inferior which was a gracious and moral thing for him to do has tended to perpetual the wealthier people in their previous wealthier positions. >> for white south africans leaving does not make sense. they are as south african as black south africans. >> that's exactly right. i hope in the long term with andersoned education for everyone and with benevolent programs to boost people up that have practically nothing in their life, to give them distribution of wealthy in south africa, it is still a country that has enormous natural resources and enormous human resources in productive labor and that sort of thing and enormous potential. and my home is and my dream is and my prayer is that the ambitions of nelson mandela will be realized in the future. >> when you talked about rowe of rodesia into zimbabwe, that was something that a lot of white south south africans became afraid of, t