and he developed a hernia from screaming so hard, an umbilical hernia. i let out a real strange squeal that i had never heard before. my heart sank. i new at that moment i failed my son. >> we start out saying, people don't talk about about this, and we need to talk about it. this is the most commonly performed completely unnecessary pediatric surgery in this country. the rest of the world, european countries, asia, they don't do it to babies. parents are really blindsided often. there are more and more parents, thanks to our organization, thanks to people like nicky who are speaking out, thanks to you for having this program, people saying that's not going to happen to me, or it happened once and not again. it's a very common sorry. >> georgeann, you said it's really for you a human rights issue. it sounds like for nicky it's more of a trauma to her son issue. is there research to back up that there are long term effects from having your son circumcised? >> there are studies that are decades old that show that circumcision causes terrible pain for babie