that is something that is really una sailable.we were in conditions if we didn't have deficit issues, of course we wouldn't have needs to raise taxes on anyone. we have competing priorities and need to find a way to start paying for them. melissa: i think we don't have a revenue problem. we have a spending problem. we're like drunken sailors. we have a credit card and think we can run it up forever. we just can't. >> that also has consequence as everyone knows with the looming so-called fiscal cliff discussion, if you cut spending too much you drive the economy into an abyss. we would all like to say we simply cut spending and live within our means but it is not as simple as that. you can also cut spending too much so you actually hurt the economy that you're supposed to help. >> i agree with what you're saying and this is way too civil. so i have to try to derail it somehow. or else it is no fun, right? what is the point of doing it. >> bring it, melissa, bring it on. melissa: we do, that's true. there have been many times in the