. >> eric: you can't throw that premise out there on the table that unaffecteded by the debt.he money, we want 6% or 9% or 10%, we're done. game over. they win. >> bob: they destroy themselveses in the process. >> kimberly: bob as a popular opinion for democrats. debt don't matter. >> bob: the way to get deficit and debt under control is get people back to work. the question is how do you do it? one thing you don't do is what paul ryan wants to do, to do away with obamacare, to do away with all kind of other things. and turn medicare to vouchers. i mean this guy is off the walls. >> dana: don't forget the part he wants old people to eat cat food. did you read that part in the budget? >> brian: here is thing. you a political guy. you should know this. the president could use republicans as his wedge against democrats who won't touch entitlement. use it as a strategy. guys, it's not my fault. the republicans got a voice in this. this is part of the deal to use them to knock the entitl entitlement. >> dana: all right. when we come back. shepard smith is live in rome with more on