so i all the time go into classrooms as do my principals to watch a teacher teach unannounced. we have an open-door policy. that's prohibited in the teacher's union contract. it's very, very hard to run a school where everything is pre-determined. because what you need to do in order to meet the needs of children is you need to constantly refine your school design and school schedule. there's a problem today, we can fix it by the end of the day. >> betsy does what in new york city? >> she was a public advocate that's an elected position. she has since retired. >> would the unions talk to you? >> no. unfortunately, not. you know, again, going into it i was very interested in the whole picture. and in no way from a sort of a partisan perspective. but, unfortunately, they declined. we tried very hard from day one actually up until we locked picture. i was so determined that i was going to include them in this film. and i thought it was very important, their vision for public education going forward. >> why not? why wouldn't they talk? >> well, the reason they gave is that they did