unbeimonst to us they submitted a request with public works to do a condo conversion so if units are opened -- owner occupied and we reviewed that. staff saw in the block books and what was shown is a lot that matched what is there today, so with that they approved it and found it code complying. then the appellant in this case appealed the issuance of the condo map that they applied for by the city to do the condo conversion. at that time they submitted a letter that they received from the department of public works in february which the county surveyor outlined a process they could determine the lot question. that's the first time i seen a written response from bruce and the letter they provided us, 60, 70 pages of materials this wasn't included with it, so that's the first time i had seen that document. one of the things we included in the initial letter of determination is clarifying language -- and the county surveyor can help you without with the questions of the lot issues, so it comes to the appeal of the condo. it has been past practice and mr. baby ner, and the letter of de