he--i took all of his clippings with him--all of his news clippings because the times, for some unbeknown reason, hadn't been sending him his clippings. and in return he took me out as close as we could get to where princip had shot--i drove there. and--and he took a little bit of rubble off the ground and gave it to me as his way of saying thanks to me for bringing his clips, and i still have it at home. c-span: now you--you know, the--couple of articles have been written about you that you took some chance when you went over to bosnia. when did you go there the last time? >> guest: i've been there several times. i went two--i went two winters in a row, '93, '94, which were the tough winters. i don't think i took any other--any more chances than any other reporter who went. it was kind of important to go. not a lot of people wanted to go. c-span: what is it about you that makes you want to go do that? >> guest: i think it depends where you go. sometimes i want to go just because i want to see. sometimes i want to go because i've never been there before, and i've traveled a lot. in the ca