they have some techie that can unbrick it and resell it. >> so the bricking is kind of useless anyway. >> right. and that's something that we were trying to absolve with them. some sort of furtherance of it. they say they are working on the technology where they can make these things inoperable. once it gets out there if we can get it through the public's knowledge to get this, they're gonna understand that once they sell it to the next level they may not want it and then you're gonna create some animosity between the robber and the buyer. they say that according -- they may have this up by christmas internationally so it would be around the world for everyone. they say they already have it through the carriers. through verizon it's already available. they're just gonna tell you about the find a phone app which is something that will just ping it immediately. not necessarily going to disable the phone, which is what we're after to make it useless. >> the carriers can't make it useless. >> it's gonna take some work by the manufacturer to make it completely useless and not be able to re

people can just go and hire someone to do that and unbrick a phone, which is really unfortunate so it seems that technology's important. >> i believe it's gonna be passed christmas for that. i know they're working on this bricking technology that's a standard. we wanna do is see it standardized in all these smart phones. i would say hopefully by christmas that would be available for everybody. the other part is gonna be the cost. i'm sure they're going to add some cost to it to add it as another application that you might have to buy, but after that, i think that blacklisting as i said -- the similar card and the phone marriage -- that, i believe, exists already and some companies however i don't know how widespread it is here in the united states. >> do you think it could be by christmas or... >> christmas would be where they would have the bricking available from the manufacturer. >> any other questions. >> i would like to bring up [inaudible] from sf safe in regards to this thing. >> thank you very much. >> my name is arena [inaudible] and i'm a program director at san francisco sa